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Dev blog: PLEX Changes On The Way!

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#101 - 2017-03-16 16:43:42 UTC
Obil Que wrote:
Sullen Decimus wrote:
SIEGE RED wrote:
Interesting, every bit of market data hints more than strongly at a CSM leak prior to this devblog. It was already weird, yet now it's clear.


What??


Tinfoil 1: PLEX rising prior to announcement means CSM leaked the data and influenced prices
Tinfoil 2: PLEX falls prior to announcement means CSM leaked the data and influenced prices

Choose

Tinfoil 1

You don't think that's more than coincidence?

OK than... Roll

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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#102 - 2017-03-16 16:44:12 UTC
At this point, why don't you just make it a magically redeemable item "one billion ISK" you can buy? You can use ISK in the NEX and you can set how much ISK it takes to buy 30 days of gametime.

@lunettelulu7
SIEGE RED
The Darwin Foundation
#103 - 2017-03-16 16:45:03 UTC
Relvin Krirtel wrote:
I have issue with in these proposed changes in that PLEX will be safe to access anywhere without risk of transport. There is a wide spectrum of players in the game. You see a great deal who are at times very ignorant of game mechanics. One of the most beautiful aspects of this sandbox is that the consequences of bad decisions are real. It appears that CCP does not want to alienate those who are both ignorant (for whatever excuse) and who also feel justified in that they should be insulated from risk because they have spent money.

The PLEX vault should also not be in the inventory window. For me this takes away from the immersive experience of playing EVE in that I don't want to stare at real world associated money transactions while inside New Eden. I know it is available. I just don't need to see it that frequently. It would be nicer to put any changes into the neocom menu.



Seperate discussions really.

First one, look on the bright side. New Eden keeps more people who are, well, shall we say more inclined to serve as prey. From CCP's perspective it's better business, a little bookkeeping bonus and some other things. Overall, I can see the point.

The second one, indeed. That kind of road just begs advertising space, let's put it that way. It's the kind of Door that all too easily gives slippery slopes - but I would suggest to find some alternate options which still can provide the shortcut CCP wants to provide.


It's clearly but gradually heading towards a microtransaction model, but on CCP's terms. And now before anybody starts yelling like a little cyno girl look at it this way: a more granular currency introduced for the purchase of SKINs, in-game clothes and pending items in this format is a lot healthier than what they once upon a time came up with. This use of granularity allows them to sell an item in increments of $0.05 U.S. or thereabouts. Anybody remember the whole jacket for $1500 drama? As I said, healthier.
NofriendNoLifeStilPostin
State War Academy
Caldari State
#104 - 2017-03-16 16:47:50 UTC  |  Edited by: NofriendNoLifeStilPostin
Sam Guivenne wrote:
There are a great deal of things wrong with this post, so I'm just going to go down the list as they come by.

1: Risk vs Reward: Plex hauling is supposed to be incredibly risky, which is why its also highly profitable.



No its not. Part of why EVE was a joke of a game was because suicide gankers had virtually zero risk for potentially tremendous rewards. Finally they are decreasing the rewards for suicide ganking, which had such negligible costs that it was a commonplace grief tactic.
Momiji Sakora
Omni Galactic
Central Omni Galactic Group
#105 - 2017-03-16 16:49:35 UTC
Not sure if already suggested, but can we move the PLEX Vault to the Assets window instead of inventory? I don't need a universal inventory slot that won't get used taking up space that is already tight.
Allsales Final
Stars in No Sky
Backward Time in a Strange Land
#106 - 2017-03-16 16:52:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Allsales Final
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Manic Velocity
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2017-03-16 16:54:20 UTC
Sullen Decimus wrote:
I would imagine it's more to do with having a cross character bay which all characters on an account can access (something btw players have been asking for years to have). If it removes the plex tanking of ships, I'm ok with it. It's a hilarious aspect of the game which we all like to point at laugh at, but really doesn't make or break anything in the game. Is plex safer now? sure. Does it impact anyone's gameplay though? not really.


Maybe I'm misinterpreting the functionality of the PLEX Vault, but it sounds like you'll be able to access the vault on any character on one account from anywhere in the game.

That last part is what I take issue with. And it does affect region trading, which is a large portion of EVE's appeal for many people.

I'd be fine with a cross-character inventory, but not one that is accessible from anywhere in the game. That would give everyone the ability to teleport their entire inventory from one side of the map to the next in a matter of minutes with zero risk. I don't think anyone is advocating for this.

But this is exactly what the PLEX Vault sounds like. The only exception being that it's reserved for PLEX-based services. This turns PLEX into a completely safe asset unless, as I said, the player is exceptionally stupid. Why is PLEX suddenly becoming a protected commodity?

I take issue with the PLEX Vault on a conceptual level. Every item in EVE holds meaning because they are impermanent. You don't log into the game with the assumption that your assets are 100% safe...... except for PLEX, apparently. PLEX will soon be 100% safe.

By eliminating the risk of loss, it diminishes what makes the game interesting.

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cpu939
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2017-03-16 16:54:28 UTC
With the new alpha accounts and this change i'm wondering if ccp would be looking at adding omega day(s).
I can see the use of it being account runs out before pay day or i'm on holiday for a week wold like to play at omega level

500 of the new plex = 30 days meaning 16.6 plex each day how about making it 600 plex and thus 20 a day
Visello Gaterau
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2017-03-16 16:57:50 UTC
So i guess ccp are starting the chew the bone after the nerf to multiboxing...

But this is such a bad way it will only give ccp the right to control the market of what plex etc should be worth by turning plex into units.

I hope this wont come into the game it would be a shame i rather would like to see ccp handing out a written warning to the person who came up with nerfing the multiboxing instead... But we know better we wont see that comming ccp aint making mistakes!!! NOT
Allsales Final
Stars in No Sky
Backward Time in a Strange Land
#110 - 2017-03-16 17:00:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Allsales Final
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Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#111 - 2017-03-16 17:02:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminal Insanity
pointing out that after these changes, any alpha account is now potentially a cyno alt.

- infinite cyno alts.
- infinite research jobs. just plex for an hour to install the jobs
- infinite ganking alts. plex each alpha for a couple hours each, and gank a few freighters!

obviously its not literally 'infinite', there is still a limit as to how many computers you have and how many clients each of those can run... but why have 1 account for 30 days when you can have 30 accounts for 1 day?

i dont really see this change as useful. it just obscures the true cost of 30d subscription, and bypasses most of the f2p problems that were previously restricted. and whats the benefit? so you can carry 15 days of gametime in your ibis instead of 30?

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Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#112 - 2017-03-16 17:03:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Belt Scout
How about breaking up the monthly sub into weekly, or even daily subs for the new smaller plex.

1 week, 125 plex.

Theres plenty of times I would like to do something with an alt but I dont want to sub it for a whole month just to use it for a few hours.

They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

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Damassys Kadesh
Royal Khanid Hunting Society
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#113 - 2017-03-16 17:03:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Damassys Kadesh
Been playing for over 10 years and have seen the doomsday reactions for longer than I can remember... EVE is still here... this change seems largely inconsequential but I have some detail-based feedback:

-make it 300 instead of 500 so that 10 translates to 1 day... I'm sure the conversion for aurum and skin prices will still work and it will be much less cumbersome to calculate... it's currently based on 1 = 30 days so stick with that multiplier

-make plex vault show by default, but easily hide-able

-convert aurum values less than 1000 into a gift item or SP or isk... so that people get something for it

-I saw someone make a point that plex hauling is high-risk for high reward, which is very EVE... can you keep it this way and add a warning (maybe more flashy than the default) when undocking, just like when you have a crimewatch flag?... or like in the past when you were undocking with drugs in your hold (obviously that code exists)

Cheers



edit: I saw a suggestion to use aurum INSTEAD of plex when doing the consolidation... makes sense because aurum is already a granular currency and plex is a licence... but then plex is already an item and aurum isn't (apparently there are tokens though? I didn't even know that...) also plex has established itself as the way to redeem in-game for subscription/omega time... honestly I would lean towards turning aurum into item units if CCP can part with the "plex" name... it would fit into the game world better too and feel more natural... it's like some kind of cash credits that are handled and valued differently from your isk online banking...

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Hol Vegr
STK Scientific
The Initiative.
#114 - 2017-03-16 17:04:50 UTC
Sounds great overall, but it sounds a little bit like you're adding magical instant transport to PLEX which is terrible. I understand the desire to lower risk for new players, but being able to instantly transfer PLEX from one market to the next would be catastrophic.

1) Can a player access the PLEX in their PLEX vault from any station?
2) Can PLEX be placed back in the vault after being removed?
3) Can players place PLEX into the vault, travel to a new station, and remove the same PLEX there?


Other than that, less of a question and more of a request:
Can I please be able to buy a week of gametime for 125 PLEX now???!!!11one
Allsales Final
Stars in No Sky
Backward Time in a Strange Land
#115 - 2017-03-16 17:05:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Allsales Final
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Olleybear
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#116 - 2017-03-16 17:05:41 UTC
What will happen to Aurum Tokens. Aurum Tokens are worth 1000 Aurum. Are these not getting converted to the new PLEX system? Will Aurum Tokens stay in game and we can keep and convert them ourselves if we fell like it? Will Aurum Tokens stay in game but just be a novelty from days of old the way Mines are?

I ask because in your post you are talking about Aurum Balances, not Aurum Tokens. Also, two different statements are made in the same paragraph. That only balances above 1000 Aurum are converted ( 1001 Aurum get converted, not 1000 ), then balances of 1000 Aurum or more are converted ( 1000 get converted, not 999 ).
Quote:
What about Aurum?
Aurum had its run but we are excited to move forward with PLEX only. On launch day for this feature we will convert all existing Aurum balances above 1000 Aurum to the new PLEX. Today you get 3500 AUR for every PLEX you convert to Aurum, and this is the same rate we will match to convert Aurum to the new PLEX. This means that if your Aurum balance on launch day is 1000 Aurum or more, it will be converted in its entirety and you will get 1 PLEX for every 7 Aurum.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#117 - 2017-03-16 17:06:12 UTC
I do not know if this has been answered, or even asked so i will ask.

First off i liek this idea, it should make things easier to use.

My question is, I have 4 accounts, and at various times one account had a bit of aurum form when i bought something, and another account had a lot of aurum because i added some. There have been times when i wanted to buy something, but was short the aurum on one account, however if i combined my aurum form two accounts i'd have the aurum. Will it be possible with the new system to pull deposited plex out of the store so i could sell or trade it to an alt or even a buddy who might be a bit short but they don;t want to buy form the market? Or myself who might have plex spread between different account for various reasons? Or if i deposited 1k plex, and bought a few skins and had 100 plex left, i'd like to pull it out of the store and sell it if i can;t use it.

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Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#118 - 2017-03-16 17:08:45 UTC
Allsales Final wrote:

How about Concord escorts for anyone hauling PLEX?


I can see the Mackinaw fleets now mining with concord escorts. ShockedBig smile

They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

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Krieg Austern
#119 - 2017-03-16 17:09:04 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
pointing out that after these changes, any alpha account is now potentially a cyno alt.

- infinite cyno alts.
- infinite research jobs. just plex for an hour to install the jobs
- infinite ganking alts. plex each alpha for a couple hours each, and gank a few freighters!

obviously its not literally 'infinite', there is still a limit as to how many computers you have and how many clients each of those can run... but why have 1 account for 30 days when you can have 30 accounts for 1 day?

i dont really see this change as useful. it just obscures the true cost of 30d subscription, and bypasses most of the f2p problems that were previously restricted. and whats the benefit? so you can carry 15 days of gametime in your ibis instead of 30?


You cannot buy a sub for 1 hour, you still need to pay for 30 days worth of Omega. So it will cost you the 500 new PLEX for an Omega level sub.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#120 - 2017-03-16 17:09:18 UTC
Def Monk wrote:
So, 500 plex works out to be 1hr, 26min, 24 seconds of game time per PLEX. Why not convert them all to 720 units, which will make every plex exactly 1 hour of game time?

One nice outcome about this is someone can say "Hey, I wanna buy/give 1 week of play time". And they can do that now. But, then the question rises: how many do I need? With the current 500 per plex, that math is complicated and dumb. At 1 hour per, its simple: 24 hours, 7 days, I need 168 PLEX.

If there's a specific reason for 500, I'd love to know.

EDIT: My math is assuming 1 PLEX = 30 days.


If they do this then all of pi will soon be done by alphas. Buy a week or an hour and haul all your pi from your free accounts.

There are many other barrier that alphas have that will be solved for a allot less money to ccp. Cynos and even playing time. Why pay 70 bucks to have a subscription for 6 months when you can just pay 2 dollars and play when ever you want.

CCP will lose allot of money if they sell time for less than 30 days.

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