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Dev blog: PLEX Changes On The Way!

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Arthure Pentedragoon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#461 - 2017-03-19 00:48:20 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Arthure Pentedragoon wrote:
I guess the big question is

will CCP allow purchasing OMEGA time in 1 NewPLEX increments. ? Big smile

If so a lot of specialized alts can be left ALPHA except for the exact time that you need them at full OMEGA skill.

Yet somebody will still need OMEGA to add skill points into EVE either by direct toon traiing time or as injectors.





No. 30 days chunks only.

Quote:
Q: With smaller PLEX, will I be able to buy less than 30 days of Omega time?
A: We currently we have no plans regarding smaller game time packages.



Too bad. Should be trivial to code. Instead of incrementing expiration at 30 days from now - increment by 1 or 2 hours for each NewPLEX spent for game time. Pretty sure that transition to or from OMEGA status in mid-session already works smoothy, as does safe storage of newly added PLEX against server crash. At least I hope it does.


Although the net income change would be hard to predict. I would think training alone would keep most advanced players subscribing or PLEXing for continuous time regardless of PLEX or time increments.

It is however almost certain that many more ALPHA players would at least buy a few NewPLEX with ISK just to try out equipment within easy reach. Lots of ALPHA players can afford to buy say 5 NewPLEX with ISK
Maenth
The Thirteen Provinces
#462 - 2017-03-19 00:49:39 UTC
While I don't follow PLEX prices closely, I'm sure many people do, and also appreciate being able to see and use the long-term graph. Additionally, PLEX has a solid history in its current state, as a large whole unit of game time/whatever. Most of all, it's a really nice and easy mental conversion to see and say that 1 PLEX = 1 month of Omega time. Is there any way to preserve this? Could PLEX be converted into a tradeable currency with fractional units?

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Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#463 - 2017-03-19 01:12:11 UTC
Arthure Pentedragoon wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Arthure Pentedragoon wrote:
I guess the big question is

will CCP allow purchasing OMEGA time in 1 NewPLEX increments. ? Big smile

If so a lot of specialized alts can be left ALPHA except for the exact time that you need them at full OMEGA skill.

Yet somebody will still need OMEGA to add skill points into EVE either by direct toon traiing time or as injectors.





No. 30 days chunks only.

Quote:
Q: With smaller PLEX, will I be able to buy less than 30 days of Omega time?
A: We currently we have no plans regarding smaller game time packages.



Too bad. Should be trivial to code. Instead of incrementing expiration at 30 days from now - increment by 1 or 2 hours for each NewPLEX spent for game time. Pretty sure that transition to or from OMEGA status in mid-session already works smoothy, as does safe storage of newly added PLEX against server crash. At least I hope it does.


Although the net income change would be hard to predict. I would think training alone would keep most advanced players subscribing or PLEXing for continuous time regardless of PLEX or time increments.

It is however almost certain that many more ALPHA players would at least buy a few NewPLEX with ISK just to try out equipment within easy reach. Lots of ALPHA players can afford to buy say 5 NewPLEX with ISK



You don't see a reason why CCP might not want to let people pay for only an hour or two?

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Arthure Pentedragoon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#464 - 2017-03-19 01:28:55 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Arthure Pentedragoon wrote:
marly cortez wrote:
beakerax wrote:
1000 seems easier to understand than 500…


Dunno, I never in my life mistook the number '1' for anything other than '1'.

As to this Plex issue, having never had the need for plex since multi boxing got kicked into touch, the whole thing seems to put it politely, a non-issue.

However, the darker picture here is this advertisement, seems the selling reptiles have slithered in by the back door to me battering your face with products no one would ever consider buying in the first place always missing the real point here, that if it really was any good people would already know all about it and would not require this intrusive prompting.



Old PLEX is 720 hours of game play for 14.95 without any discounts or specials.The RL CCP base price (not volume discounted) price of PLEX would equate to 0.03 USD per NewPLEX.

But I expect CCP to sell in all sorts of lot sizes (100, 250, 333, 750, 1000, 5000, etc) both for user flexibility and to simply erase the old cost of game time from user minds.
Where do you buy a Plex for $14.95?
1 months game time via "Add game time" is $14.95
1 Plex is $19.95 via the Plex store.


I had a brain gas explosion.

OK 0.04 USD per NewPLEX -- if price for 30 days via PLEXing does not change.

Most common(?) volume discount of 6 OldPLEX lot from CCP is still $17.50 USD

Used to be some big resellers that occasionally gave additional store discounts somehow. IDK if that still happens. Probably have to spend a lot RL money at that store if it does.

Yup PLEX is more expensive than subscription if paying directly with RL money. Sort of my point. Game Time is simply the bullion backing the lowest end value of a PLEX. But game time/multiple toon training time are also still the main reasons PLEX disappear from market.

Do not see a reason for CCP to change game subscription RL cost as soon or as much - if ever. Subscription price is not on market for speculation due to alternate uses or in-game ISK means of purchase. Flipping subscriptions to periodic delivery of a PLEX instead of just game time would likely blow up EVE without equalizing RL costs. Not impossible for CCP to do. But I will never expect it because too many people will eject if the constant $14.95/month changes much.

All leading back to why CCP might play with RL cost of PLEX raising it a small reasonable amount.

ShockedAssumption: Most people PLEXing for EVE game time are very successful in game, not paying RL money to play and thus unlikely to quit if RL PLEX costs rise a bit. Shocked

Hopefully CCP calculates just right not to stress game play or players but enough to cover their bills with smaller paying player base. Oh and to get CCP stores to be worth all the artwork etc invested.



Karmen Baric
Doomheim
#465 - 2017-03-19 01:44:59 UTC
Changes seem fine. Like idea of only one currency, much easier to understand for new players.

Plex vault im fine with, good way for people to keep plex safe, especially new players again.

As for the only converting amounts above 1000AUR, fine with that also, and i assume CCP already thinks of this. Thry will not be taking peoplesAUR away im sure.

CCP Will do this i think ....Anyone with below 1000AUR can add more (mini)Plex to it so that they can buy items from the NES, thus they never lose their 500 or whatever AUR, they just dont get it converted.

EG: You have 500AUR leftover but want to buy a 5 skill extractor pack (currently 4500AUR), you add 560 more (mini)Plex.
AUR is never taken away but for amounts less than 1000 it is historically saved.





Martin Corwin
Corwin's Corsairs
#466 - 2017-03-19 03:44:32 UTC
1000 AUR is worth 5 €. If you void all the AUR balances < 1k AUR and STEAL all that money from your player base, I'm biomassing all my characters never to return.

I'm not going to support a company that's stealing money from their customers.
Greg Valanti
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#467 - 2017-03-19 04:41:47 UTC
What will be happening to AUR tokens? Do I need to redeem them before the changes or will they be automatically converted to the equivalent worth of the new PLEX?
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#468 - 2017-03-19 05:10:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Sgt Ocker
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Arthure Pentedragoon wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Arthure Pentedragoon wrote:
I guess the big question is

will CCP allow purchasing OMEGA time in 1 NewPLEX increments. ? Big smile

If so a lot of specialized alts can be left ALPHA except for the exact time that you need them at full OMEGA skill.

Yet somebody will still need OMEGA to add skill points into EVE either by direct toon traiing time or as injectors.





No. 30 days chunks only.

Quote:
Q: With smaller PLEX, will I be able to buy less than 30 days of Omega time?
A: We currently we have no plans regarding smaller game time packages.



Too bad. Should be trivial to code. Instead of incrementing expiration at 30 days from now - increment by 1 or 2 hours for each NewPLEX spent for game time. Pretty sure that transition to or from OMEGA status in mid-session already works smoothy, as does safe storage of newly added PLEX against server crash. At least I hope it does.


Although the net income change would be hard to predict. I would think training alone would keep most advanced players subscribing or PLEXing for continuous time regardless of PLEX or time increments.

It is however almost certain that many more ALPHA players would at least buy a few NewPLEX with ISK just to try out equipment within easy reach. Lots of ALPHA players can afford to buy say 5 NewPLEX with ISK



You don't see a reason why CCP might not want to let people pay for only an hour or two?
I can see a few reasons why, not an hour or two but a day or two could be beneficial.

Weekend Warriors - Those who have trained up characters to a point they are happy but due to RL can't play through the week and don't want to, can't afford to, sub an account they can only use a few days a month. I personally know of 3 or 4 players with many more accounts in this situation that currently don't play eve at all.

Being able to sub an account for a week - Could be just the thing to get on the fence Alpha's to sub. Once an Alpha has reached the skill point cap there isn't much else to do other than start a new character in a different faction. If they could sub their account for a week to train up a few more skills it may encourage them to stay subbed once they realize the benefits of T2.

Steve Ronuken, There are a few more use cases I can think of but I'm sure you get the idea..

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It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Kaivarian Coste
Whale Patrol
#469 - 2017-03-19 09:02:47 UTC
If CCP is interested in boosting population numbers, then it should give capsuleers an option to subscribe for less than 30 days. If granular PLEX is good, then so should be granular subscriptions, with 24 hours being a good minimum. This should appeal to casuals and weekend warriors who only play the game a few times per month, but don't wish for the limitations of alphas. Perhaps make a 24 hour subscription more "expensive" than a 30 day sub, eg:

500 plex = 30 days
50 plex = 1 day
Xiu Kahn
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#470 - 2017-03-19 10:42:51 UTC
Nice that you want to break plex into smaller units. That should create more market activity. However I would prefer 1 large unit as a pilot extension or MCT option not 500. So a multipack option sold as a unit should be available for $19.95. As for Aurum I thought the concept was dumb to begin with to have multiple currencies. You might also want to find a new name for your currency since it has expanded beyond a simple Pilot License now.

I do think it is unwise to simply delete the remaining Arum for under 1000 units which still represents a small cash equivalent without offering something in return. Essentially we have paid for something and you have not returned our change. If we were in a store this would be a roof raising issue even if its only pennies on the dollar. In other cases it is called fraud and the government gets involved. The real one not the CSM. True the Eula says you can do what you want but you may want to consider turning those little Arum dollars into something useful. Maybe a coupon for a free skin or injector down the road.

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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#471 - 2017-03-19 10:47:55 UTC


[/quote]


No. 30 days chunks only.

Quote:
Q: With smaller PLEX, will I be able to buy less than 30 days of Omega time?
A: We currently we have no plans regarding smaller game time packages.
[/quote]


Too bad. Should be trivial to code. Instead of incrementing expiration at 30 days from now - increment by 1 or 2 hours for each NewPLEX spent for game time. Pretty sure that transition to or from OMEGA status in mid-session already works smoothy, as does safe storage of newly added PLEX against server crash. At least I hope it does.


Although the net income change would be hard to predict. I would think training alone would keep most advanced players subscribing or PLEXing for continuous time regardless of PLEX or time increments.

It is however almost certain that many more ALPHA players would at least buy a few NewPLEX with ISK just to try out equipment within easy reach. Lots of ALPHA players can afford to buy say 5 NewPLEX with ISK
[/quote]


You don't see a reason why CCP might not want to let people pay for only an hour or two? [/quote]I can see a few reasons why, not an hour or two but a day or two could be beneficial.

Weekend Warriors - Those who have trained up characters to a point they are happy but due to RL can't play through the week and don't want to, can't afford to, sub an account they can only use a few days a month. I personally know of 3 or 4 players with many more accounts in this situation that currently don't play eve at all.

Being able to sub an account for a week - Could be just the thing to get on the fence Alpha's to sub. Once an Alpha has reached the skill point cap there isn't much else to do other than start a new character in a different faction. If they could sub their account for a week to train up a few more skills it may encourage them to stay subbed once they realize the benefits of T2.

Steve Ronuken, There are a few more use cases I can think of but I'm sure you get the idea..[/quote]


I fully agree.

They need to sort the 500:1 ratio, that just makes no sense. It's much more sensible to make it scale with single days and hours.

Being able to sub for a weekend has a good appeal, and it'll help players out who are maybe on hard times. Don't forget though that the isk still has to be earned to buy the micro plex in the first place.

As for no subs below 30 days....if they are even contemplating it in the future, they should do it now and not let the rumour mill keep rolling.

Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#472 - 2017-03-19 10:58:06 UTC
Martin Corwin wrote:
1000 AUR is worth 5 €. If you void all the AUR balances < 1k AUR and STEAL all that money from your player base, I'm biomassing all my characters never to return.

I'm not going to support a company that's stealing money from their customers.

Lol, 1000 AUR are worth in RL exactly nothing, it's a virtual thing owned by CCP. CCP can do with the Aurum what they want, didn't you read the ToS before signing up for EvE? Nothing within this game belongs to you, but is property of CCP.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#473 - 2017-03-19 11:00:24 UTC
Greg Valanti wrote:
What will be happening to AUR tokens? Do I need to redeem them before the changes or will they be automatically converted to the equivalent worth of the new PLEX?

Sell them on the market, they still sell for more than any conversion will get you.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Lando Cenvax
The Nose Picker Clown Group
#474 - 2017-03-19 11:36:36 UTC
Great idea! Unless you read the very last line...

Q: With smaller PLEX, will I be able to buy less than 30 days of Omega time?
A: We currently have no plans regarding smaller game time packages.

Are you guys serious? How stupid is that?

500 PLEX is also a stupid number to convert, at least once you realize sticking with 30 day only packages renders this change ad absurdum. As mentioned above (Post 17) 720 PLEX would be a good number. The conversion from AUR to PLEX is a one time action, so don't give priority to this. No on cares if this is factor 7 (3500->500) or 4,86111 (3500->720).
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Singularity Expedition Services
Singularity Syndicate
#475 - 2017-03-19 12:02:57 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
Martin Corwin wrote:
1000 AUR is worth 5 €. If you void all the AUR balances < 1k AUR and STEAL all that money from your player base, I'm biomassing all my characters never to return.

I'm not going to support a company that's stealing money from their customers.

Lol, 1000 AUR are worth in RL exactly nothing, it's a virtual thing owned by CCP. CCP can do with the Aurum what they want, didn't you read the ToS before signing up for EvE? Nothing within this game belongs to you, but is property of CCP.


That depends, in UK law if you bought something from a company they have to deliver it. This would be a very grey area, especiialy if you considered Aurum to be a service
Krieg Austern
#476 - 2017-03-19 13:15:17 UTC
Lando Cenvax wrote:
Great idea! Unless you read the very last line...

Q: With smaller PLEX, will I be able to buy less than 30 days of Omega time?
A: We currently have no plans regarding smaller game time packages.

Are you guys serious? How stupid is that?


It's not stupid at all. It's avoiding a rash of '1 day omegas' for cynos, hotdroppers and the like.
Erebus 'TheChin' Sundance
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#477 - 2017-03-19 13:56:49 UTC
Just to point out, it does say in the dev blog > https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/plex-changes-on-the-way/

Quote:
"Anyone looking to liquidate Aurum for ISK has had ample opportunity to do so, especially since the release of skill extractors

Converting only Aurum balances that exceed 1000 Aurum will lower the total amount converted and decrease the risk of a rapid inflow of PLEX destabilizing the market.

We will run specials in the New Eden Store leading up to the change so that there’s good reason to use up excess Aurum"

I have 245 AUR, Skill extractor is 1000 AUR, cheapest ship skins are 250 AUR... I feel disinclined to purchase more AUR to bump up a in game currency about to be terminated. One would imagine this is a popular concern.

May I request you make available a variety of empire themed codpieces for our remaining AUR, they should cost coincidently 245 AUR.

I would like a Gallente Themed utility codpiece please.



Ronnie Rose
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#478 - 2017-03-19 18:57:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Ronnie Rose
Alright, after more musing on the PLEX changes here is what I think are motives on why these ideas are being proposed.

1. PLEX Vault - A safer way to transact a high value commodity for new players so they will not suffer the in game criminality of gate camp gankers.

2. PLEX broken up into smaller denominations - Will promote revenue stream for CCP by increased sales of PLEX sold outside of the game (e.g. direct sales of PLEX from CCP to players)

Now, if CCP fixed one thing with EVE their would not be a need for a PLEX Vault, and that is gate camps. Next to large scale corporation wars, which are rare, players have suffered more ship loses at gate camps period. In High SEC ships are lost by perpetrators to the victims and then CONCORD responding to the perps. If gate camps in High SEC were more balanced by, say lock times increases around high sec gates, and or AoE smart bombs are disabled at high sec gates, then people transporting PLEX through High Sec would be safer WITHOUT THE NEED FOR A PLEX VAULT (apply this also to undocking at stations).

But no. Since the idea of a PLEX vault is being proposed to make PLEX transaction safer, this only implies indirectly the problem with gate camps. In other words the proposed change is ignoring the real problem with EVE. Go after the real issue and CCP can make PLEX transaction safer in EVE especially for new players.

So, fix the gate camp problem, and then no is need for a PLEX vault to keep PLEX safe, and gankers will still have a chance to catch a player transporting PLEX in High SEC, just not at gates (or undocking at a station, maybe).

However, if people say leave the gate camp in high sec as is, then I'm for the PLEX vault, which means gankers will lose out through all New Eden, and I would not have any sympathy for those that would cry about that.

As for CCP breaking up the PLEX for smaller denomination, I'm indifferent. It's a chance for CCP to increase their revenue stream, which every game company should be entitled to do under fair conditions to its players.

Finally, as for voiding Aurum balances under 1000 without compensation to players, I'm against that because its too much of a liability against CCP.

Cheers!

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#479 - 2017-03-19 19:13:23 UTC
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#480 - 2017-03-19 22:07:32 UTC
CCP please come up with a new name. Why do I need 500 "Pilot License EXtensions" in order to fly for one month?