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Dev blog: PLEX Changes On The Way!

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Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#561 - 2017-05-13 23:56:47 UTC
Perry Platterpus wrote:
so I plexed last night (put 500 plex in my vault and bought 30 days game time)

I cant find anywhere on my character sheet that says when game time expires

on my login screen it still says 5 days game time remaining

/....

what am i doing wrong where am i supposed to see these things?

Log in to account management my friend, it is the ONLY way to see exactly when your current sub expires.

CCP in their wisdom have never deemed it necessary for a player to see or interact with this information ingame.
Sadly the pilot license section of the character sheet remains all but useless having been duplicated by the all new (and intrusive) CCP advertising medium known as, PLEX vault.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
KanashiiKami
#562 - 2017-05-14 08:06:38 UTC  |  Edited by: KanashiiKami
hello CCP(s)

i tried to understand the "add plex" panel but i think it is confusing ...

could you guys update the buttons to read "ADD plex to game time" ? instead of BUY PLEX? ... there are 3 things i could click ... and they dont make sense ... the description "ADD TIME TO GAME" is missing from 1 of them ...

the PURCHASE button, should read "BUY NEW PLEX" ...

it is like everything is missing half the proper description ...

WUT ???
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#563 - 2017-05-16 14:07:56 UTC
So the true reason of dividing "plex" into smaller parts where to bring noobish player to nullsec for easy prey?


https://gyazo.com/2cdc94ae5b54fc135aa748dd6217ae5c
Steijn
Quay Industries
#564 - 2017-05-16 15:06:46 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Where can i ***** about "plex price game by ccp"? can;t find a good thread or all been closing all day long :(
and i really want to write about my frustration with the "plex" price changes with the new update... as it sky rocket to 1.3b per 30d of gameplay time :)

THANK YOU CCP :) you know how to ruin my wallet! screws..


For me they didnt ruin my wallet, they just removed a player from their game. Plex above a certain level just isnt worth it personally so when my current time added via the Plex from Aurum expires, i'll be gone again.

I was a player that had something like 6 years continuos sub, but stupid mechanic/game changes over the past 2 years made me completely lose interest. So for all those that say vets never leave as they have you by the short and curlies once addicted, let me tell you that p**ss a player off enough with stupid changes and they will go for good.
Timcanpy Yvormes
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#565 - 2017-05-17 13:19:37 UTC
If the plex it's in a citadel it's not possible to move the plex to the vault?
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#566 - 2017-05-17 20:23:59 UTC
Steijn wrote:


For me they didnt ruin my wallet, they just removed a player from their game. Plex above a certain level just isnt worth it personally so when my current time added via the Plex from Aurum expires, i'll be gone again.

I was a player that had something like 6 years continuos sub, but stupid mechanic/game changes over the past 2 years made me completely lose interest. So for all those that say vets never leave as they have you by the short and curlies once addicted, let me tell you that p**ss a player off enough with stupid changes and they will go for good.

Except CCP don't & never have controlled the in game isk price for plex. That is player controlled, so you are putting blame on entirely the wrong people.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#567 - 2017-05-18 03:19:07 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Steijn wrote:


For me they didnt ruin my wallet, they just removed a player from their game. Plex above a certain level just isnt worth it personally so when my current time added via the Plex from Aurum expires, i'll be gone again.

I was a player that had something like 6 years continuos sub, but stupid mechanic/game changes over the past 2 years made me completely lose interest. So for all those that say vets never leave as they have you by the short and curlies once addicted, let me tell you that p**ss a player off enough with stupid changes and they will go for good.

Except CCP don't & never have controlled the in game isk price for plex. That is player controlled, so you are putting blame on entirely the wrong people.

Nevyn; Are you REALLY that naive?
What do you think "plex sale" is about? Or should I say "used to be" about.
History shows, whenever plex prices reached a critical high CCP would have a plex sale.


With plex currently at 1.44 bil (1.41 buy order) for 30 days game time, CCP need to start looking at ways to fix it and fast. 200 mil isk increase over 3 days is not good for the Eve economy and its player base.

I'm pretty sure they will let this price hike run for a while to see if the market / player population can sustain it, problem is, many of those who let subs lapse due to the high price of plex combined with the many game play issues, just won't come back.

Injectors and extractors have been hit by this change too, a reasonable SP farming character produces 3 injectors per month. This used to be enough to plex the account and make a moderate profit. Now it just can't be done, extractors have gone up, as did injectors but not enough to cover the cost of a plex. 380 mil (profit per injector) X 3 leaves you around 300 mil shy of purchasing the 500 plex needed, forget any sort of profit.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#568 - 2017-05-18 07:09:52 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Steijn wrote:


For me they didnt ruin my wallet, they just removed a player from their game. Plex above a certain level just isnt worth it personally so when my current time added via the Plex from Aurum expires, i'll be gone again.

I was a player that had something like 6 years continuos sub, but stupid mechanic/game changes over the past 2 years made me completely lose interest. So for all those that say vets never leave as they have you by the short and curlies once addicted, let me tell you that p**ss a player off enough with stupid changes and they will go for good.

Except CCP don't & never have controlled the in game isk price for plex. That is player controlled, so you are putting blame on entirely the wrong people.

Nevyn; Are you REALLY that naive?
What do you think "plex sale" is about? Or should I say "used to be" about.
History shows, whenever plex prices reached a critical high CCP would have a plex sale.


With plex currently at 1.44 bil (1.41 buy order) for 30 days game time, CCP need to start looking at ways to fix it and fast. 200 mil isk increase over 3 days is not good for the Eve economy and its player base.

I'm pretty sure they will let this price hike run for a while to see if the market / player population can sustain it, problem is, many of those who let subs lapse due to the high price of plex combined with the many game play issues, just won't come back.

Injectors and extractors have been hit by this change too, a reasonable SP farming character produces 3 injectors per month. This used to be enough to plex the account and make a moderate profit. Now it just can't be done, extractors have gone up, as did injectors but not enough to cover the cost of a plex. 380 mil (profit per injector) X 3 leaves you around 300 mil shy of purchasing the 500 plex needed, forget any sort of profit.


Why CCP need to start looking? It was expected that splitting PLEX into chunks will increase it's price. What CCP should do exactly? Educate ppl? "Minerals that I mine I free"? "Multiplication by 500 is hard?" In general I find most of homo sapiens sapiens stupid - 1 250 000 000 PLEX "that's too much CCP", 3 000 000 PLEX "well ok, and look how many new ships skins I can afford now...". PLEX will rise above 3 000 000 and will stay there. I don't think AURUM conversion hurt market as much as predicted.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#569 - 2017-05-18 11:46:12 UTC
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Steijn wrote:


For me they didnt ruin my wallet, they just removed a player from their game. Plex above a certain level just isnt worth it personally so when my current time added via the Plex from Aurum expires, i'll be gone again.

I was a player that had something like 6 years continuos sub, but stupid mechanic/game changes over the past 2 years made me completely lose interest. So for all those that say vets never leave as they have you by the short and curlies once addicted, let me tell you that p**ss a player off enough with stupid changes and they will go for good.

Except CCP don't & never have controlled the in game isk price for plex. That is player controlled, so you are putting blame on entirely the wrong people.

Nevyn; Are you REALLY that naive?
What do you think "plex sale" is about? Or should I say "used to be" about.
History shows, whenever plex prices reached a critical high CCP would have a plex sale.


With plex currently at 1.44 bil (1.41 buy order) for 30 days game time, CCP need to start looking at ways to fix it and fast. 200 mil isk increase over 3 days is not good for the Eve economy and its player base.

I'm pretty sure they will let this price hike run for a while to see if the market / player population can sustain it, problem is, many of those who let subs lapse due to the high price of plex combined with the many game play issues, just won't come back.

Injectors and extractors have been hit by this change too, a reasonable SP farming character produces 3 injectors per month. This used to be enough to plex the account and make a moderate profit. Now it just can't be done, extractors have gone up, as did injectors but not enough to cover the cost of a plex. 380 mil (profit per injector) X 3 leaves you around 300 mil shy of purchasing the 500 plex needed, forget any sort of profit.


Why CCP need to start looking? It was expected that splitting PLEX into chunks will increase it's price. What CCP should do exactly? Educate ppl? "Minerals that I mine I free"? "Multiplication by 500 is hard?" In general I find most of homo sapiens sapiens stupid - 1 250 000 000 PLEX "that's too much CCP", 3 000 000 PLEX "well ok, and look how many new ships skins I can afford now...". PLEX will rise above 3 000 000 and will stay there. I don't think AURUM conversion hurt market as much as predicted.
If that is how it goes, a single plex hits 3 mil isk - Expect to see online numbers plummet to all time lows.

I for one have 2 accounts expiring in less than a week - I can't/won't spend nearly 1.5 bil for a plex so will end up with another 2 Alpha clone state characters, making 7 out of 11 accounts - Unsubbed.
I was talking to 2 of my alliance mates earlier - Between them 12 accounts went dead today, one has another 3 that expire in less than a week.
This is just three players who all ran multiple accounts by farming SP - Which adds up to a small loss to CCP initially but grows to a larger loss as many other sp farmers realize it is now a lose lose situation and let those subs drop.

With "period average" as low as it is (which now includes alpha's), can CCP sustain the loss of paying customers by allowing plex prices to rise like they are?

Funny thing is, I think you have it a little backward - Plex prices go up - Less sales in the NES. High plex prices won't encourage players to spend it in the NES, it will do exactly the opposite.

CCp has worked hard over the last couple of years to keep plex prices fairly stable, I can't believe they are happy about the prospect of losing more players due to the price hike..
CCP needs to have a massive plex sale and soon before too much damage is done.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#570 - 2017-05-18 12:44:26 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
If that is how it goes, a single plex hits 3 mil isk - Expect to see online numbers plummet to all time lows.

I for one have 2 accounts expiring in less than a week - I can't/won't spend nearly 1.5 bil for a plex so will end up with another 2 Alpha clone state characters, making 7 out of 11 accounts - Unsubbed.
I was talking to 2 of my alliance mates earlier - Between them 12 accounts went dead today, one has another 3 that expire in less than a week.
This is just three players who all ran multiple accounts by farming SP - Which adds up to a small loss to CCP initially but grows to a larger loss as many other sp farmers realize it is now a lose lose situation and let those subs drop.

With "period average" as low as it is (which now includes alpha's), can CCP sustain the loss of paying customers by allowing plex prices to rise like they are?

Funny thing is, I think you have it a little backward - Plex prices go up - Less sales in the NES. High plex prices won't encourage players to spend it in the NES, it will do exactly the opposite.

CCp has worked hard over the last couple of years to keep plex prices fairly stable, I can't believe they are happy about the prospect of losing more players due to the price hike..
CCP needs to have a massive plex sale and soon before too much damage is done.

Good times for ppl selling PLEX - income for CCP.
PLEX is still underpriced. I can easily PLEX my account by casually playing.
PLEX chunks is more attractive in NES than AURUM - psychology. Ppl more willingly spend 3mil than 1,5bil.
I don't care for alts accounts, multiboxers, SP farms. CCP only let SP farms because they are earning money on extractors.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#571 - 2017-05-18 14:06:04 UTC
Such silly comments...

With so much isk flowing into the game every month, PLEX will continue to rise forever. In this respect EVE is simply a hypre-inflationary model.

Yes, there will be some peaks and troughs, but the system will always sort itself out. PLEX rise => less HS miners => Ore/Mins increase => more HS miners => PLEX rise...etc.

Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#572 - 2017-05-18 22:26:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Sgt Ocker
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
If that is how it goes, a single plex hits 3 mil isk - Expect to see online numbers plummet to all time lows.

I for one have 2 accounts expiring in less than a week - I can't/won't spend nearly 1.5 bil for a plex so will end up with another 2 Alpha clone state characters, making 7 out of 11 accounts - Unsubbed.
I was talking to 2 of my alliance mates earlier - Between them 12 accounts went dead today, one has another 3 that expire in less than a week.
This is just three players who all ran multiple accounts by farming SP - Which adds up to a small loss to CCP initially but grows to a larger loss as many other sp farmers realize it is now a lose lose situation and let those subs drop.

With "period average" as low as it is (which now includes alpha's), can CCP sustain the loss of paying customers by allowing plex prices to rise like they are?

Funny thing is, I think you have it a little backward - Plex prices go up - Less sales in the NES. High plex prices won't encourage players to spend it in the NES, it will do exactly the opposite.

CCp has worked hard over the last couple of years to keep plex prices fairly stable, I can't believe they are happy about the prospect of losing more players due to the price hike..
CCP needs to have a massive plex sale and soon before too much damage is done.

Good times for ppl selling PLEX - income for CCP.
PLEX is still underpriced. I can easily PLEX my account by casually playing.
PLEX chunks is more attractive in NES than AURUM - psychology. Ppl more willingly spend 3mil than 1,5bil.
I don't care for alts accounts, multiboxers, SP farms. CCP only let SP farms because they are earning money on extractors.
Seriously do you NOT understand how plex now works?
No it's not good times for people selling plex - Literally thousands of players with alts (which by the way generate a lot of income for CCP) are letting subs lapse = NOT buying plex = Loss of income for CCP.,.

Yes CCP allows SP farms to keep players buying plex and therefore making money BUT what happens when those plex farms are no longer buying plex because SP farms are not profitable? Loss of income for CCP.,.
It seems you understand little of how SP farming works - It is not only extractors and injectors CCP profit from, it is the plex that farmed isk buys as well. CCP make money 3 times of one SP farm, not a small loss when those farms shutdown because they aren't viable to run..

You are NEVER spending 3 mil isk in the nes store, the cheapest item I've seen is 100 plex or 300 mil isk and it only goes up from there. Oh look, just discovered a heap of cheap skins @ 55 plex, so only 165 mil.
I think that is a LONG way from 3 mil, math is hard.

Sure plexing a single account is still pretty easy, after all it is only one account and an extra 3 or 4 hours of ratting/mining/mission running per month. I'm afraid though that as a single account holder you're in the minority when it comes to playing Eve.
Whether you like players with multiple accounts means nothing - CCP like (and need) them. Right now there are 27K players online, I would bet at least a quarter (roughly 6.5K) of those are alts maybe more when you consider the guys running 10 or more accounts.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#573 - 2017-05-19 12:47:26 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Seriously do you NOT understand how plex now works?
No it's not good times for people selling plex - Literally thousands of players with alts (which by the way generate a lot of income for CCP) are letting subs lapse = NOT buying plex = Loss of income for CCP.,....................


Actually, I think it is you who don't understand!

If all the 'alts' stop buying PLEX (in game) - then the price of PLEX will fall - and then they'll come back again.

At present, however, it IS good for CCP - for people are buying PLEX (from CCP, et al) and selling them in game.....

Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
Aischa Montagne
Blut-Klauen-Clan
#574 - 2017-05-21 16:20:11 UTC
There can be 2 reasons for High Plex Price:
1) Market is overheated, and current players have enough Money to pay a high Price.
2) Market is on Plex shortage.

2. Can mean 2 things.
a) some(one/ group) is buying plex.
b) a lot of people want to buy Plex.

Maybe the request for Plex have been raised by all the Alpha players wo want to have an Omega upgrade.
And if they are willing to pay the price its okay.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#575 - 2017-05-21 18:10:17 UTC
Aischa Montagne wrote:

Maybe the request for Plex have been raised by all the Alpha players wo want to have an Omega upgrade.

It's very unlikely:
- CCP rarely does what players ask for
- only very dumb person will want for PLEX (real PLEX which can buy 30 days of Omega) to be more expensive. And this is what happened as result of introduction of new gold.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#576 - 2017-05-21 19:04:11 UTC
Funny as the price start to rise when one of the CSM didnt keep his mouth shout and start to speak about "mini plexes" - after that price keep rising, and rising and can't stop.
Julien Brellier
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#577 - 2017-05-23 17:25:59 UTC
Inability to remotely move physical plex to vault means no more remote plex activation

GG CCP
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#578 - 2017-05-24 10:41:17 UTC
Julien Brellier wrote:
Inability to remotely move physical plex to vault means no more remote plex activation...



Actually, I found out yesterday that whilst - right-click 'Move to PLEX Vault' doesn't work......

You can, surprisingly, 'drag' them from 'Personal Assets' to the PLEX Vault window - but!Roll Only from Stations, not Structures!

Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
Cameron i
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#579 - 2017-05-25 16:29:36 UTC
Marcus Tedric wrote:
Julien Brellier wrote:
Inability to remotely move physical plex to vault means no more remote plex activation...



Actually, I found out yesterday that whilst - right-click 'Move to PLEX Vault' doesn't work......

You can, surprisingly, 'drag' them from 'Personal Assets' to the PLEX Vault window - but!Roll Only from Stations, not Structures!


Doesn't work for me, any ETA on a fix for this?
Shinji Katsuragi
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#580 - 2017-05-27 21:37:25 UTC
Cameron i wrote:
Marcus Tedric wrote:
Julien Brellier wrote:
Inability to remotely move physical plex to vault means no more remote plex activation...



Actually, I found out yesterday that whilst - right-click 'Move to PLEX Vault' doesn't work......

You can, surprisingly, 'drag' them from 'Personal Assets' to the PLEX Vault window - but!Roll Only from Stations, not Structures!


Doesn't work for me, any ETA on a fix for this?


Same here :(