EVE General Discussion

Crap I just realized what you are really up against.

When you said "Concord protects you in HS" I heard the autism of a million gankers cry out all at once.

(OK maybe there are not that many but they sure make as much noise)

Then I realized....

It's not NS that would most vehemently cry and scream over the end of lol-cyno through LS. Heck, the NS entities would be kings for being the only ones who could field the protection convoys and logistics. If even just one could do it, they would be on top.

Everybody else loses the road to Jita but they have to survive "out there".

What are you really up against here? Hint: the same old trolls that haunt every ganking thread.

Because if the lol-cyno was gone, then just about every JF undocking from Jita while there still was a Jita would be protected by a fleet.
Thus that kind of player, being no less the entitled highsec bearbears than those they prey upon (and claim they are the polar opposite of), would take a huge hit to their shtick.

If these forums were not so dead they would be brigading with alts by now.

more like telling retards how ******** ideas they propose are

Your solution destroys the part of low-sec that I enjoy. I'm not in favor of creating more blob combat... really anywhere. Certainly not in low-sec. That's what you're doing.

You're trying to destroy low-sec and turn it into a gatecamp.

Indeed. This is why no game company should ever direct the game based on player feedback or opinions. The same people using the meta game will cite all kinds of examples of "tyranny" where a game company was monolithic and unyielding. But it would not have mattered if the product managers paid attention. That is, if you are going to be king, you best be a good one lest everybody knows where to find your neck.

The only metrics that should have mattered are the balance metrics, and a game system such as this has tracking on that level built into it. There was never any need to ask anybody anything regarding balance.

The worst end of it is that they will respond to both ends of the spectrum that work towards the same goals: you end up with both the bad guys and the carebears wanting an easy game (while pointing the finger elsewhere of course).

People speak of nerfs to "content" (PVP) but PVe also gets nerfed, even by default when it's neglected in light of player perfection, like Sansha throwing itself at incursions endlessly without new tactics (or just plain giving up). The better days of Eve were actually the pre-incursion days and before exploration was turned into just plain predictable farming. Easier PVe has done more damage than ganks.

CSM should be disbanded and the only thing the devs should want to hear about are bugs.

Placing a rock in a river, does not stop the river. It simply flows around it.
Content, like said river, will always take the path of least resistance.

Its perfectly sustainable to run cargo through LS gates, rather than over them with JF cynos.
Especially since LS doesnt have bubbles to hamper that.
Hell, it even has gateguns to defend gate transit.

LS can become an intermediary sub-cap trading point to both HS and NS.
The materials NS needs, can be sourced locally in LS, or shipped into LS for transfer.
The Forge is not the only region you can manufacture in.
Jita is not the only trade hub.

The current situation of billions upon countless billions in value effectively by-passing LS by lol-cynoing is ridiculous.
It makes LS redundant and pointless. From the perspective of cynos, LS might as well not exist.

Its fly-over country. JFs peer down at it as if from an airplane, at the tiny LS ants, idly wondering what the silly things are doing down there, safely beyond their reach, whilst enjoying complementary peanuts and beverages.

You present that I am so naive as to not understand what the lol-cynoing past LS is enabling in terms of "content" for NS access to HS markets.That is obviously false, as the entire premise behind my proposal is addressed at exactly that and its repercussions.

You really should try reading more accurately. Ive addressed these issues several times over already.
I and the discussion are already way ahead of you. Start catching up, or are you really this slow.

I agree LS local content is fine.
The local DEDs, anomalies, L5 missions, mineral/ice resources etc are fine.
(Data/Relic are a bit weak, but that is an incentive to run them in NS)

The primary problem is JFs lol-cynoing past LS between HS-NS.
Secondary problem is caps in LS, especially with cyno, as overkill, and strongly favoring NS neighbors.

So why then are JFs cynoing nonstop over LS between NS-HS?

Your shilling is getting tiresome and all too obvious.

Use your brain. Troll better.
You are way behind.

Bad move completely ignoring my previous post to you.
That reddit-tier bullshit doesnt fly here.

Your cover is blown.

Protip: JFs are caps.

JFs are caps.

Are you seriously trying to claim LS can field more caps than NS?
NS caps can drop on LS and even gate back out, whereas LS cap drops in NS must deal with bubbles for non-cyno exit.

Your entire premise is ridiculous.

Furthernore, none of this refutes the fact cynoing JFs are making a mockery of LS.

You are just digging a deeper hole for yourself.
And again you ignored the posts to you, shill.

This isnt reddit. You will be called to answer.

No.

YOU made the claim that LS can field more caps and wreck NS drops.
Not me. YOU.


Go ahead and substantiate that claim.

Im transitioning from considering you a shill, to you actually being this stupid.
Your post history certainly supports that.
Shills atleast have some skill and brains, you however...

And all of this sidelining the core issue, that bypassing LS with lol-cyno JFs is a piece of cake.

Caps are not required to clear LS local content.
Cynos also are not necessary, due to lack of bubbles on gate transit.

NS has far more cap capacity, than LS.
NS furthermore, can cyno into LS and gate back out.
Whereas a LS cap fleet cynoing into NS must deal with bubbles to gate to LS.

Claim substantiated and answered.

Now its your turn to substantiate your claim:


Show me how NS groups have their ass handed to them each and everytime (whenever) they jump into LS.
(This would include each and every JF from NS into LS getting its ass handed to it).

I look forward to how you explain/justify that ridiculous, false argument.

Meanwhile, there is untold billions in HS-NS transit value in JFs lol-cynoing past LS even as this thread continues.