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I'm getting the feeling that you're a station trader, with zero experience in nullsec inductry, or general sovnull operations.

we don't care about the jita price, the only minerals we export here, is morphite, because we get wayyy more than we can use. the rest of everythign we mine goes straight via contract to the builders that make caps. a bit gets used for other stuff, because, in nullsec, it's usually easier to just build everything.

also, look at your numbers, trit is falling, but mex is actually going up. that's because of the mineral imbalance

nah, miners don't riot, we simply stop mining

No no nononono no no no no no no

Every FIN time CCP, every time you nerf hammer. How did you not expect them to be used as tackle when you didn't disable their ability to engage hostile actions while in PANIC is beyond me. This either means you are simple minded or you don't do nearly enough testing, and probably should Sell CCP like your looking to do.

However angry I may be, I can reasonable agree that they should not be able to engage hostiles in any manner (but should be able to rr friendlies.). This can be solved two ways, one is disallowing aggressive action with the panic module. Another is to hit the nail on the head, and make the rorq the first ship in eve that cannot fit any type of point entirely. Both ways eliminate the combat problem.

I also do agree with entosis bs, however that is easily solved by not letting them fit an entosis module. Even disallow all the possible PANIC saved hulls to fit it as well, solved.

Your then left with the god cyno, and I think after the above two suggestions are preformed, it wont matter, atleast not nearly as much. If they cannot tackle, and cannot entosis, the main use of the cyno will be to save their own skin, and you cant take that away from them.

I do not agree with making them have to lock a rock to panic. Its just plain stupid. They are only 80% immune to ewar in "siege", like all caps, and a falcon or a few griffs will be the Achilles heal of the rorq. Not only will they not be able to PANIC once engaged, but will become the easiest killed capital with the strongest useless tanking ability.

So take away their combat abilities, but do not nerf where panic can be activated.

Also disagree with more min nerfs. F off with the nerfs, but FIX your stupidly planned out module.

I love Eve online. But what a ******* joke CCP is atm

This has nothing to do with rorquals mining too much.

THIS, is CCP's laziness and stupid game design coming back to bite us all in the ass!


The first obvious thing here is the mexallon bottleneck and nothing being done about it. The gneiss roids deplete over 3 times faster than ABC's and spodumain - fix the damn thing already and keep an eye on arkonor and bistot so we don't face the same bottleneck in megacyte.

The second, and perhaps more important problem here are mineral sinks. You remember those idiotic 20bil dreads, 75bil supers and 265bil titans (production costs) that no one really wants? Well guess what? Those could have been an amazing mineral sink if they were affordable enough to go mainstream. If they all cost double what their t1 counterparts cost, everyone would want one (having all types of pirate capitals available would help immensely as well - pirate carriers anyone?) and the gears of industry would turn once again. None of that would matter of course, if their blueprints aren't readily available in the game as well.

Structures could have had their mineral requirements increased as well to help with spending minerals - destruction of those could have helped a lot as well, but as it stands, citadels only managed to screw the small groups with their extra reinforcement timers and not being vulnerable to dread bombs like POS's and if the trend continues and drilling platforms get the same dps cap mechanic and another reinforcement timer, the only thing that's gonna increase is the rate of burnt out players in the game (maybe we could all turn to alpha clones and forget this end-game foolishness instead?).

So what could be done about all this? It would take CCP getting off their lazy asses and actually producing something for a change. The current rate of releasing pirate caps means all the pirate factions will get covered by the end of this decade (not if they want to do mordu's boyz, sisters and rogue drones as well - in that case, add another 2 years to the road map for pirate caps).

Let's not forget that all the models for these pirate caps (it's probably more correct to say skins rather than models but whatever) are already done, all it takes is giving them some traits and releasing them - even though the laziness goes so far that we aren't even getting all of the capital types on each pirate faction...

And what is the intended fix for this laziness? Forget for a moment that the rorqual never did anything for lowsec people because mining is a complete waste of time in low. So now the 11bil mining capital is being dumbed down to the level of a sanctum running carrier in null - I mean, CCP obviously wants people out of hisec and in low and null/wh, but it would be a real travesty if a capital miner in null is making more money than a hisec incursion F1 monkey.

Also....0 max locked targets at PANIC activation fixes all other issues, takes a real genius to figure that one out!

I enjoy these changes, a Rorq shouldn't be something you can just fly around solo and only hit the panic button once you're caught. I'm surprised at the amount of people upset that they can no longer afford to 'safely' fly around solo in a ship that expensive, let alone an industrial ship, and not have to worry about losing it.

why would anybody still bring out a +10b ship if you nerf again the mining yield, I already stopped training into one of them because of your last nerf.. the risk is just too high

you also brought back capital fights and lots of content because of those ships in the belts, one day we even had a super drop on a rorq in 7rm.. more bigger ships will get lost and more stuff will be used, I don't see more mineral supply as a big problem, it will even out over time

I'll just straight up say it instead of abbreviating or walking around it...


CCP WHAT IN THE ACTUAL ****? You already nerfed the Rorq. Now we're getting another nerf that fucks us even harder 6 ways from Sunday. EWAR negating a PANIC? Really? I hope that isn't the case because I'd have to go back to carrier ratting. Oh wait, that's getting a ******* nerf too. If you want to make a useful nerf, which I believe is what the orignial idea of the panic was intended to do, make it so we can't use scrams, webs, points or anything along those lines of combat modules. PANIC module was a great idea for Rorquals since we were gifted the Excavators.

You guys are already nerfing those. Don't nerf the damn PANIC as well. Make it so PvP related mods cannot be used in PANIC mode. Indy Core Prevents EWAR, sure, but it doesn't stop incoming damage. As much as I don't want to admit it, nerfing the Excavator's will surely save the mineral market, and that's gonna be another hit to anyone who does industry and uses those drones. Those drones dented the **** out of our wallets, but they're worth it. Don't make the EVE Community of Rorqual pilots regret the training.

This nerf as many have said is a complete over reach.

However it will have the desired effect, people who live to mine will go back to hulk fleets, and those who have moved from carrier ratting to rorqs, will sell the rorqs and go back to risking less for the same isk per hour.

Fozzie is your most creative solution for Panic module really that I must have an asteroid locked. ...

and i was in such a good friday mood.

Dont nerth rorqual yet . Let the ore price fall and everything should get very cheap