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Thank god! this rework couldnt have come fast enough. Having 6-7 accounts in rorquals like some people have is EVIDENCE of a serious imbalance. The mineral market is tanking and afk drone mining with stupid rorquals is busted.

Thank you Fozzie for fixing it :D

and heres a video showing how players are capitalizing on the stupid mining drones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIgpGazqVkI&feature=youtu.be

Two things:

1. Make the drones a LOT cheaper to warrant these nerfs because the risk/reward ratio is getting out of control
2. Just take away all offensive ecm stuff from the rorq and be done with it. No more complaing about battle rorqs and ppl can still panic as intended

The suggested solution with the locked asteroid is the worst thing i have seen since i started playing this game

So, I mean, we're already sitting in our anoms with 12 rorqs not boosting because mining foreman bursts inexplicably give combat timers that prevent refits and give rorq pilots no incentive to boost unless they need to address the mercoxit menace.

wait, we need to roll, well let me go high cap full tank and boost the subcaps for the last few 'roids.

oh look, a new cosmic signature!

www HALP

i did actually respect your suggested svipul nerfs because you were an avid field researcher in fade but i'm not sure if anyone involved with this ship redesign has actually used it.

CCP Fozzie, can you please increase the range of the "ORE Miner" - that would keep it in line the other Outer Ring offerings.

Couple of points against this interpretation of events:

First off, CCP's already nerfed the Rorqual once, and it apparently didn't fix the issues they were seeing with Rorqual use and the mineral market, so they have been taking things incrementally. Considering the first round of changes didn't do much I think it's a bit silly to be claiming that this second set of changes is too far...

Second, CCP can't perfectly predict how players are going to react to a change or the full impact of that change. What CCP are trying to do here is modulate player behavior in aggregate (aka, people are mining too much ore too quickly). If you can predict the impact of any change perfectly then I think CCP might want to offer you a job, at least if they can beat out the half dozen global spy agencies trying to 'recruit' you...

As for the code change, I'm assuming you're referring to the "is an asteroid locked" thing.

First off, that bears almost no resemblance in any way to the POS code. The problem with the POS code was that it was written in the very very early days of CCP, was fundamentally tied into a lot of different systems, and the entire core concept of the POS shield was creating issues, exploits, and bad edge cases. Unless you've found a way to spontaneously generate asteroids on-grid with you then none of this applies to this change.

What this change does do is mean that CCP don't have to go running around chasing abuse cases because they've essentially gone with a white-list approach rather than a black-list one. It's not even like it requires much if any new code, modules check what you have locked all the time when activating.

Wormhole ore sites have bupkis for minerals. The fact that you even suggested that as a supplement to our mexallon intake shows you have no clue what you're talking about.

The problem isn't having ENOUGH minerals, it's the ratio. We can get all the minerals we need, even mexallon, with enough mining. The issue is that we end up oversupplied on pyerite and isogen. (Exporting pyerite is hideously cost inefficient, but isogen isn't, which is why it's nearly half the price of mexallon despite being in a higher "rarity tier.") Adjusting the ratio isn't about getting us more mexallon, it's about making our growing stores of pyerite and isogen actually worth something.

Dear CCP,
First of all I hope your doing well. I am amused by your brilliant ideas on the topic of Nerfing Capital Industrial ship's. Since the beginning when you started changing all the bonuses on these ships without having the Vision on future repercussions on the game economy e.t.c. Ore and mineral prices. As one of the Industrial players my self, I fnd these changes very annoying and tbh dumb.

1) Excavator Drone, when they where introduced into the game they where very effect at mining, then you realized that they are more powerful then you intended them to be. from the start they where over priced and their effectiveness went something like this (Release 5 drones can mine as 7 Hulks) then a balanced Nerf ( Now 5 Drones can mine as 5 Hulks) and finally ( inc changes 5 Drones = 2 Halks) don't you think such a huge Nerf would effect the price of those drones? Are you going to Compensate every player that payed a huge sum of ISK back. Maybe I should pickle them in hanger till you fix them.

2) PANIC Module, this module was **** since it was introduced , it gives the bonuses to the PVPer we did not benefit from it.

People who want to use the Excavator Drones should be on the Grid. people who safe boosting should be able to boost from POS. This plays more into Risk and Reward then the current stuff your doing.

Maybe in the future start serving players about such dramatic changes in the game play and Ruining our experience and making the game less fun. We are paying real money for subscriptions and alot of time that now feels likes its been wasted. it feels like these changes was meant for some selected players and cooperation /alliances i think many player know what do i mean.

I would like to say more but I know none at CCP will give a **** about my post.

Best Regards
Abdul
o7 CCP

Considering that you are effectively removing the ship, with the significant yield nerf; will you be refunding all SP spent on rorquals? There are no other ships that use the Capital Industrial Ships, Invulnerability Core Operations, or Mining Drone Specialization skills.

Larger Asteroids will result in a 5-10% yield reduction
Direct 50% Yield Nerf
Increased ore anomaly sizes mean significantly more drone travel time.
33% decrease in cycle time is effectively an 11% decrease; as only 1/3 of the drones time is spent mining.

V/r,
Yonneh

This is all about bringing back the 12 account macro miners. I was very happy mining solo without the need to sport $120 a month on various miner accounts. Stop being Petty CCP.