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[March] Balance Tweaks: Fighters, Supercarriers & Burst Projectors

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Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#341 - 2017-03-14 01:49:31 UTC
CCP: "We want your feedback on this."
Literally everyone: "This sucks. Don't do it."
CCP: "How bout I do anyway."

Nice to see this pattern hasn't changed in my extended absence.
PkControl
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#342 - 2017-03-14 03:01:55 UTC
CCP Larrikin wrote:
Questions & Answers

Q:Regarding the increased fighter signature & bug fix, have you thought about the impact to PvE?
A: Yes, and run many test :) We believe that carrier ratting will continue to be viable after this change. Balanced carrier ratting is part of the goal of this change, and we'll be watching the results of this change closely, ready to iterate as needed.

Q:Could the fighter UI show the HP of the damaged fighter?
A: This won't be coming in March, but it is something we're looking into! :)

Q:Its annoying when fighters stop after killing a target!
A: We recognise that fighter behavior isn't ideal. Its something we'd like to iterate on in the future.


You run many test? what? ACTUALLY, if your fighterts stop some moment, you lost it easy! in movement they receive damage! The fighters dont have any type of Defense in the shield or have defenses to another type of rats. and you put X3 the signature radius?

You dont make any test, you put numbers in the fighters whiout think and wait to see tomorrow what problems that changes cause... is very unfair to the people who cant pay the plexes in $$$, now you cant use heavy fighters whiout lost many of them each day. how i can get money if the rats quit me 30.000.000 each anomaly eh?!?!

Like another games since 2007, you only make changes if the problem affect your income, if that affect the users, you dont make any thing! like the Cloakies! since 2006 ALL EVE COMUNITY is pushing to solve the Cloakies, and you dont make nothing!

Thanks ccp, you like improve the game or get less clients?
Trevize Demerzel
#343 - 2017-03-14 03:23:04 UTC
These latest Rorq and Carrier threads are teaching me something...

As a paying customer of this "game"


I give feedback... It's ignored.

So I'm encouraged to give up on giving feedback.


hence...

I'm encouraged to not pay for this entertainment.. And move on.


That's how I'm feeling at present. On the eve of these changes and the silence on the part of CCP..

-
Xantia Naari
Serious About Space Things..
#344 - 2017-03-14 03:25:17 UTC
Q:Regarding the increased fighter signature & bug fix, have you thought about the impact to PvE?
A: Yes, and run many test :) We believe that carrier ratting will continue to be viable after this change. Balanced carrier ratting is part of the goal of this change, and we'll be watching the results of this change closely, ready to iterate as needed.

Be prepared to unbreak this change.

There are two kinds of children that play in sandboxes. Those who build castles and those who kick them down. It's a symbiosis.
Minion Lee Cognatio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#345 - 2017-03-14 06:51:52 UTC
But i wanna build a Snowman

Ceo And Founder of Foxy Knights.

Non exieris, Ne ipsi Deo (Never Surrender, Not eve to God himself)
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#346 - 2017-03-14 08:13:32 UTC
PkControl wrote:
...blah blah blahh goontears... blah goontear and more gonntears...


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Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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Xantia Naari
Serious About Space Things..
#347 - 2017-03-14 12:53:25 UTC
For the majority among those who PLEX their account, the only thing less likely to happen, when the carpet is removed under their feet, than quitting eve, is subscribing.

There are two kinds of children that play in sandboxes. Those who build castles and those who kick them down. It's a symbiosis.
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#348 - 2017-03-14 13:17:10 UTC
Xantia Naari wrote:
For the majority among those who PLEX their account, the only thing less likely to happen, when the carpet is removed under their feet, than quitting eve, is subscribing.


What should people using 6 month subscription plan do then?
Soul Bulldozer
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#349 - 2017-03-14 13:47:02 UTC
Ty CCP, "the best update ever".
Now i can sell carrier, and forget skills.
Fighter weakening is sh*t.
GL.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#350 - 2017-03-14 14:19:18 UTC
Primary This Rifter wrote:
CCP: "We want your feedback on this."
Literally everyone: "This sucks. Don't do it."
CCP: "How bout I do anyway."

Nice to see this pattern hasn't changed in my extended absence.


What if the feedback people are giving is just confirming the result is what they actually intended with the change? Like if the change was targeted at making carrier ratter rethink what they do in game and making fighter easier to kill. Would they actually be listening to feedback and not have to change anything in their proposal?

I'm pretty sure they never ask for feedback in the form of we want/don't want this. It's more "CCP X will happen if you do Y" and right now, it seems X is what is intended.
Cade Windstalker
#351 - 2017-03-14 14:20:43 UTC
Xantia Naari wrote:
Be prepared to unbreak this change.


Considering there's already video out of people running Havens without losing a single Fighter I'm betting not...
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#352 - 2017-03-14 14:20:46 UTC
Xantia Naari wrote:
For the majority among those who PLEX their account, the only thing less likely to happen, when the carpet is removed under their feet, than quitting eve, is subscribing.


So according to you, the majority will turn to other income sources or continue carrier ratting since there is only 1 option less likely than quitting so all others must be more likely.
triggerhappyman
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#353 - 2017-03-14 14:22:52 UTC  |  Edited by: triggerhappyman
These fighter signature / argo changes... CCP are you drunk?
Me reading the changes: https://d1sui4xqepm0ps.cloudfront.net/categories/wtf-face?image=cdn

Not sure how you think they need more NPC agro. Mine get shot at 99.9% of the time. If you think making the old targeting "rate" was a bug...I might as well scrap my carriers. As the moment I launch them they will just get blapped.
And they are not what I'd call cheap...

And they are already laughably easy to kill before this "balance". If not you can just lock down with ECM or webs.
If anything they need a slight HP boost. Fighters now have a sig nearing the size of cruisers. Like what?


The rest of the patch was good all and all but the fighter changes... please return them. :/
Also THANK YOU for not releasing that God awful new Chimera hull. Not that it would have really mattered much as I have no real intent to use mine after this post.

And yes "Caldari caps are bad" or whatever everyone else wants to say..I like mine for looks alone, bonus's be damned.

But hey let's all be honest you won't fix anything from feedback you "wanted".
It's ok though you ran "many tests". -.-

*Edit: Oh you did use the new hull. Despite the overwhelming negative feedback to it. If that isn't proof CCP don't give a damn I don't know what is.
Anigmayus
The Flying Dead.
Goonswarm Federation
#354 - 2017-03-14 14:58:39 UTC
This is a bullshit. Shocked

CCP, are u out of your mind ? Question

If you are not playing your game just do not interfere and do not break the game for others.

Fighters have been significantly nerfed and once more. Thank's a lot. Oops

I trained fighter to lvl V, light fighters and heavy fighters and many other skills for a normal carrier.Twisted

Now all these skills can be extracted. Sad

Thank u so much, CCPAttention
MegaLuter
State War Academy
Caldari State
#355 - 2017-03-14 15:15:41 UTC  |  Edited by: MegaLuter
close the game. CCP

CCP did not think his head when nerf fighters. In pve they die like flies, but stand like elephants. Thank you ССP you know how to ****. You realy play on mather? or its jock from you friends? I think you dont farm on mathership in PVE.
Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#356 - 2017-03-14 15:21:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Henry Plantgenet
Could someone show the difference in HP between fighters and heavy drones?
Because just putting the signature in line might not be enough.
If the HP is severely lacking compared to heavies then they need to be buffed.
Especially considering fighters have only shields and no hull/armor and heavy drones have all 3.
Take into account cost of making each and adjust things accordingly.


It reminds me vaguely of that fine-tuning argument that if you change one of the constants slightly and keeping the rest of the universal constants the same you won't get the same universe we have now. But that is a very limited part of the phase space because there's all these other variables/constants you can tweak to get the same result meaning that our universe is not balanced on a razor's edge but rather quite common.
CCP's lesson from this: To achieve the desired goal do not just adjust 1 variable because caeteris paribus is something that doesn't hold since you're acting in a dynamic environment. If you modify one thing you have to change other things as well or you will break things.
Dictateur Imperator
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#357 - 2017-03-14 17:02:24 UTC
Change of game accessibility.
Time to attack CCP in justice. (i said game accessibility, now you must micro manage with youre 2 hand, to don't loose foghter, so people who can't are penalised... and it's was not the case whe i have register to the game).

Game accessibility change can not be cover per you're EULA, beacause law of a lot of country in the world manage this.


So plan to make CCP read feedback:
- Support for each fighter lost due to "stop movement" beacasue they're own dev aprove it's not normal.
- Attack in justice if you're law permit to attack for game accessibility change.
-During fan fest all player must ask : Carrier Change ?Best Change?

If all player do this CCP will back to the old system in few hours.


Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#358 - 2017-03-14 17:19:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Orca Platypus
Henry Plantgenet wrote:
Could someone show the difference in HP between fighters and heavy drones?

Dragonfly II at max skill Thanatos with 4xFSU II sits around 4000 ehp, 6.74 ehp/s regen, 1600m/s speed without navcomputer, 13mil ISK.
Wasp II on max skill Dominix sits around 4800 unmodded ehp, 10.8 ehp/s regen, 1690m/s unmodded speed, 1.75mil ISK.
Dragonfly II at max skill Thanatos with 0xFSU sits around 3400 ehp, 4.85 ehp/s regen, 1362m/s speed without navcomputer, still 13mil ISK.

BALANCE, MATES. BAAAAAAALANCE. *sheep*.

P.S. Wasp II can receive reps. Dragonfy II can... nothing much, really.
xOmGx
Heroic Farming inc.
#359 - 2017-03-14 18:12:54 UTC
CCP plz delete Carriers ans SuperCarriers fromt this failgame finally plz

FiX at least Titan making it worth its HUGE pricetag.....

Thank you CCP for destroying the game
-Killing motivation to train for Capitals of any kind
-Killing motivation to field Capitals of any kind in territorial warfire

PS.
dafug happenn to render???

make it go away.. it iz baaaaaad - my eyes are bleeeding >.<
MegaLuter
State War Academy
Caldari State
#360 - 2017-03-14 19:27:06 UTC  |  Edited by: MegaLuter
Sitting in offline on NYX .I'm upset because I paid a subscription for a year. This Change was to be the last in my subscription. ANY F***G NPC on farm can kill fighter top ship EVE. CCP YOU ARE IDIOTS!!!