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Which is what they're doing now. Given the tweaks they've been making to caps fairly regularly since Citadel dropped I'd be very surprised if this is the last change they make to the class as a whole. If they don't see any changes to Burst Projector use after this then they'll probably tweak things again since this suggests that they want to differentiate Supers from "Carriers but bigger and better" in a meaningful way and are trying to use the BPs to do that to an extent.



Nah, it only seems that way because people like and gravitate towards OP things. Those things are then fun for the players using them and less fun for everyone who isn't. Then the thing gets nerfed, the people who didn't like it just silently nod and breath a sigh of relief, and people using the OP thing get pissed.

This holds for every game, not just Eve.

1. Two things here. One, if CCP doesn't make these announcement posts people get even more pissed. Two, CCP listens but "OMG no nerfs! Nerfs bad!!!" isn't much of an argument. People get pissed whenever CCP changes anything, or refuses to change anything, or pretty much does or doesn't do anything. If people not yelling in a thread was a criteria for game balance CCP would never change anything. These posts exist primarily for people to point out issues or things CCP might have missed and for CCP to provide explanations and feedback to the playerbase, not for CCP to bow to a few dozen player's rage-post objections and reverse course on something they already believe will be a good change.


2. While I think pretty much everyone with any interest in Carriers supports this idea I don't think it needs to happen before this change goes in. The current Fighter survivability is based on the current information level, so the information this change is based on is valid regardless of any changes to the UI. Also a change like that is likely non-trivial or it would be out already.


3. By that logic why should it be easier to lock down a regular Battleship than a Carrier or Dominix? Ignoring that ECM as a whole isn't a great mechanic I don't think this is much of an argument. Different things have different counters, making ECM affect a squad of 9 Fighters individually would just swing it from a reasonably effective counter to completely ineffective and worthless.

I love how two weeks later, the "Reserved for answers" section contains exactly zero answers or explanations.

Great change, CCP! Make carriers useless again!

The flip side of this is that if that Griffin is even a tiny big slow on his locks he just disappears off grid in a puff of missiles, and he can be easily killed by any kind of support fleet.

While I'm certainly not a fan of ECM as it currently stands I don't think ECM as Fighter counterplay is inherently broken. It's not really out of line with how ECM works with other ships, except that it basically takes one ECM ship and a lot of micro to tie down one Carrier, where as a single ECM ship can normally tie down multiple sub-caps.

There really haven't been many questions asked. This thread is 85% "no, please don't do this" and 15% "yay, now nerf carrier damage so they can't kill cruisers" with approximately 0% questions.

Indeed. Let me just point over to this little mockup I made nearly a year ago. The top is what we have now. Not much useful information, is there? The next three rows are very simple changes that would make a world of difference for all of us carrier pilots who don't like keeping our cursors over fighter squads at all times.

Wow this thread is delicious.

If carriers need to be nerfed then they need to be nerfed. But making NPCs volly 10m fighers of the field is a realy stupid way to nerf carrier income. There are so many ways they could have nerfed carrier ratting without making it feel so dumb and punishing.

Fighter aggro was fine before.

This just smells like a nerf to carrier ratting to close the faucet.



Just the next step to interceptors online.

I've seen this "Bring stuff in-line" a 100 dozen times so far. What I think it fails to mention is that fighters were in-line to begin with, you just want to make the line narrower.

Carrier ratting is already a very user interactive play style, you need to be on top of the situation with drones so you don't lose them currently. As it stands there is already a long list of anom's that carrier pilots will not attempt because you will lose drones to them. If fighters become a bigger target, what's to say they won't simply take their 2.4 billion isk ship off the field in favor of something cheaper that is less isk intensive. This takes juicy potential pvp kills out of play for roaming gangs and penalizes higher skilled players from using the skill they earned.

To be fair, if you are risking not only the ship hull, but ~430m worth of fighters already, and if rats will obliterate fighters more often then not, then risk to reward diminishes drastically. If you lose even a handful of drones in an anom, then you've lost isk and doing the anom in a carrier was worthless.

The isk per hour of a carrier isn't so vast that it qualifies for a nerf. I think it's unwarranted at this time.

Because drones get resistances, and 3 layers of HP. Fighters have shields only, and no resists.