EVE General Discussion

You'll need to filter out wardec kills and other situations where Concord don't kill the attackers shortly afterwards, one such situation would be someone flying a freighter while suspect.

indeed there is alot to take into acount. and alot needs to be correlated

because of large fleet fights mainly. doesnt mean there isnt a vast amount of carebearing if which the stats clearly show too. look at drone lands for example but its nullsec full stop

oh true story i saw yesterday literally 50 large t1 and t2 bubbles on a gate both sidea to stop people hassling carebears.. crazy eh..
cant do that in highsec

Station spinning. It's the only risk-free PvE activity left.

Is ganking good for EVE? Probably not? It would be interesting to see the criminal safety removed from high-sec and CONCORD permanently moved to low-sec. This could be offset with an overhaul to wardec mechanics, NPC corporations and the bounty system. You could also make active missions warpable beacons to encourage more player interaction.

Suicide ganking could go away completely, but CCP would, of course, replace it with some other system to lose your stuff non-consensually to the other players and keep you from being 100% safe, as that is the core idea of the game. Say they chose everyone was always perma-warred with at least one other group - no more hiding in NPC corps. Nothing would change; you would have the exact same people coming here, whining that they were exploded against their will by some "griefer" despite the fact that interfering with other players, often in ways that cause them grief but empower yourself, is the point of the game.

Suicide ganking as a mechanic is somewhat draconian and does not do much to allow ongoing player interactions, but works perfectly fine at what it is suppose to do. It provides a deterrence against wholesale random violence in highsec, yet leaves open the possibility of a player shooting someone if the motivation is strong enough.

The reality is there is no version of Eve where highsec = happy safe carebear land where CCP would allow players to be perfectly safe and able to interact with the greater universe in any meaningful way. You can rejigger the mechanics all you want, but for them to be compatible with the core design of the game, players are always going to be able to interact with players without their explicit consent. And players are always going to get butthurt about that. Most, realize that is part of playing a competitive PvP game - you win some and you lose some - and they get over it and get back to the business of jockeying for resources and power in our shared universe. A few, like the OP, have no business playing such a game and instead come to the forums to beg CCP to change the game so they can't lose. Those ones, the true carebears, shouldn't be playing Eve in the first place, and are making their life miserable by doing so.

So is suicide ganking bad for the game? Well yes in the sense that only a minority of gamers are looking for a nowhere-is-safe, competitive sandbox experience. However, there is no mechanic you can replace it with that would make players like the OP happy and yet maintain the single-universe PvP arena design of the game which has attracted and kept so many passionate players. So, while I would love for CCP to spend the effort to completely redesign CrimeWatch and come up with a better system to allow criminals, victims, and vigilantes to interact in highsec, such a better system still won't make the OP and his cohort happy. They will be here the next day whining that the "bad people" still were able to out-play them and inflict losses on them and thus some numbers associated with their character in a London database went down instead of up like they like. The literally cannot be happy in a game like Eve where loss, and loss to another player, is an intended possibility.

You'd think this would all be clear by now, so long after CCP designed and implemented their conception of how New Eden is suppose to work and you'd think people would get tired of plaintively whining for CCP to throw all this out and change the game to what they personally want. But they don't, so we get to have to have this thread month after month, year after year, probably until the day the server gets shut off.

What are you basing this opinion on? CCP has specifically contradicted this idea in the past.

I think Ganking is very good for the game, and these anti-ganker types prove it.

First, it creates danger. Danger (whether people want to admit it or not) is why we are playing a video game about space, even though they pretend that what they really want is Comfort. Thing is, if people hated 'ganking', why do they keep playing here instead of the many MMOs that restrict that kind of behavior (even space theme'd games like Star Trek Online and now, Elite:Dangerous with it's private community mode)?

Secondly, it helps EVE by giving certain types of people something to hate. That's where these anti ganker folks come in, without ganking , would they just go on their merry way? Nope, they'd find something else to hate, because they need something to hate, it's part of their personalities.

Danger and something to hate, those are things that bind people to EVE Online, it's why these people don't go play other games as much as they play EVE despite the fact that all they do is complain about EVE and about how horrible 'griefers' are.

It's why I don't hate gankers even though when in high sec I take many precautions against the practice. I don't just need something to hate to feel like I'm alive, I'm happy killing NPCs (which i do hate, down with Sansha and his BS).

Also, TBH I appreciate the fact that gankers exist because in addition to riling up the kind of whiney, entitled, cluless players that I personally have no love for, they also enrage the holier than thou ,crusading, "will someone please think of the children" spaceship SJWs that I honestly cannot stand (I don't need to hate them to enjoy the game...but I'll admit, it's a nice bonus). So right there, gankers are improving my EVE experience

englando for the win pls

Just another one of these tired old threads. Usually skim the OP then read till I see the first Eve cliche reply and hit the back button.

Dammit Issler.

It's not often I agree with you, but that's a damn good post.