EVE General Discussion

cool shure doesent feel like it at times i guess there is data suporting this?

well considering that besides the isk loss for getting concorded and sec loss there is no real loss to ganking its all a calculated risk. is the loss of ships greater then the projected drops? if it is dont gank if the projected drop is greater gank. the only loss is on the part of the ganked.

piracy in a world of imortals.

Sure, but no more calculated risk than any other aspect of the game (minimize risk and investment - maximize reward).

Tippia looked into this the other year and fond the there is noticeably fewer miners getting ganked. Hardly surprising given all of the nerfs and buffs over the last six years. CCP also pointed out a big drop in the number of exhumers getting ganked after the first barge change. There has been a lot of nerfs and more safety buffs since then.

Every barge that was ganked in highsec was included.

Feel free to put in the same amount of effort we did with the barge data. You will still finding ganking levels are lower than six to seven years ago.

We worked out that the chances of having your freighter ganked stands at something like less than 0.2% over 1.7 million gate jumps.

Or you can use the data from the largest shipping organisation in EVE, Red Freight.

I'll be frank, over the years we have amassed a mountain of evidence that shows ganking is not just on a downward trend but is also far harder, more expensive and easier to counter than ever before. It has also been show that if anything ganking keeps players in game rather than drives them away. There is no evidence at all that ganking is either easy, risk free, harms EVE in any way or is at record highs.

A quick look at the CONCORD kill data shows that not to be the case.

At least as far back as I trust the killboard data (end of 2012 when the API was implemented), there has been a continual downward trend in the number of CONCORD kills. In fact, CONCORD is only killing about half the number of ships they were 4-5 years ago.

You can easily see that in a chart of the above numbers:

https://puu.sh/ugdOo/9fc9e9d60f.png

All evidence says suicide ganking is at or near all time lows. Which makes total sense, given highsec safety is at an all-time high after years of continual and near constant buffing.

i see your point. the numbers are at or near 2012 -2011 numbers but an all time low i would say no to.

make that 2012 the average kills in hs per month in 2016 was 2845. 2012 the same number was 2272.

no year previous had had those numbers no no year since has been lower then it.

I don't have the numbers to say that, and yes, suicide ganking rates were probably lower early on immediately after CONCORD was made invincible and and for freighters, before they even dropped loot, but there is no evidence that suicide ganking is increasing, out of control, or even a problem which is the usual carebear narrative. CCP Quant's numbers show that total destruction (from all sources, not just suicide ganking) makes up less than 0.1% of all goods transported in highsec, and ganking of barges shows a similar decrease in recent years, which is off true all time lows in 2012 when Dr. Eyjo reported that Exhumers were blowing up at "historically low rates" (pg. 104).

Highsec is extremely safe. CCP has buffed safety so much it is near impossible to make a living as a pirate there. The cost to attack is so high, only when another player makes a mistake and undocks in an overloaded hauler or blinged out ship is it even possible.

CCP always intended you to be at risk in highsec, and always intended for you to be able to attack another player if you were willing to accept the consequences.

Everything is working as intended. The only problem here, and it isn't probably one worth discussing, is that the OP is playing the wrong game. He is not willing to accept loss in his gaming experience, either from suicide gankers or from a changing market that has devalued his battleship. He probably should just move on and let us all get back to playing in our competitive PvP sandbox together.