EVE General Discussion

The intent of scanning someones fit/hold, is itself dubious, and as others have stated, almost exclusively used for the purpose of ascertaining whether to suicide gank the ship or not.

You have yourselves, over and over, stated how valuable the tactical intel on a ships fit/cargo is.
Why then should it be gained at no risk?

Wardecced targets can also fit/cargo scanned, but obviously in that situation, no suspect penalty is applied, as they are war. Nor is it a suicide gank related issue, as CONCORD does not interfere.

It is not rational that fitt/hold scanning does not incur risk/cost.

A suspect timer does not prevent you from continuing scanning other ships.
A suspect timer does not prevent a suicide gank from happening, nor prevent informing that suicide gank with tactically valuable data.
Afaik, even an Alpha in a rookie ship can perform fit/cargo scanning.
A suspect timer increases interaction and pvp, by making the scanning ship (which is gathering data on targets for a suicide gank) itself a valid target.

That is fair quid pro quo.
If you want valuable tactical data on a potential target for a suicide gank, go ahead and scan them, but be prepared to defend yourself as a consequence.

So it should be ok if they get a suspect timer, since it is not a "punishment". After all he/she can still run missions. All it will do is increase player interaction, which is a good thing I hear.

Yes. Exactly.

Yep, this seems like an equivalent argument, especially if missions involve shooting factions and not pirates.

After all, the flagging system is run by DED, who are an agreement between the races.

So if a player shoots a faction ship, they should go suspect at least. Surely it's 'logical' that the empires aren't going to be happy witht capsuleers that shoot their citizens.

It's not a punishment after all.

Yes it is reduced simply because you have to replace that scanning ship every time you scan something. Do you have any iddea how many ship need to be scanned before you find a profitable target? Hundreds of ships get scanned, under your plan each and every time you scan you will likely get blown up and every time you will need to go and grab a new ship which means an hours work will become a weeks work.

You also completely render the passive targeter pointless

So if there is no risk already, how would I even be wanting it to be reduced? How can you reduce risk to less than 0 in that case?

Your logic gets weirder every post.

You dont "have" to replace it, unless it is destroyed (pvp is fine).
A suspect timer does not prevent you from scanning.

I dont care how many targets you have to scan to find a profitable target.
That is your problem, not the games or its mechanics.
You dont have to scan ships inorder to suicide gank them.

As I said, afaik scanning can be done by rookie ships with Alpha clones.
Hire/involve them instead then.

The passive targeter is not rendered pointless.
You can still use it to acquire targets without their notice (WHICH IS ITS POINT), but if you activate a scan module on that target, suspect tag will be applied.

M8 the last gank on zkill has 79 stealth bombers (3 billion) to kill a Rhea carrying 2 billion that dropped 630 mill. Do you really thinkan losing an ibis with a 30k scanner is going to deter them?

If its not a nerf and not a risk then mission runners who are blatantly are breaking the no aggression in highsec rules should at the very least go suspect.

It destroys for profit ganking, which is what you want. This isn't the first nerf ganking idea you have started.