EVE General Discussion

it's a way to stop people from camping the same guy at the same station 24/7 for 1 year!

The rule is left intentionally vague. Because that way they have freedom to ban people for abusive or griefing behavior. Or for taking advantage of unforseen exploits. Without needing to spell out every single one of the potential behaviors. Which even if they tried, someone would do something potentially bannable and then whine "but the eula didn't specifically say I couldn't do this"

For example, a few years ago they made ganking, baiting, etc of players within the newbie spawn systems a bannable offense. Now it's been a while since I've actually read the entire eula but I doublt that point is included. Because it falls under c-16

The thing with the EULA is, that it's formulated in a way that CCP can space-lawyer it any way they bloody well like. My favourite example is this:


Without specifying what "ordinary Game play" is, this could be anything. May I use a mouse? With more than two buttons? And a scrollwheel? May I sit in a comfy chair or do I have to stand?

One might say that common sense should be enough to not break the rules, but this has been proven to be false.

Most rules in the EULA and ToS are like this. They can kick you out for whatever reason they want, and will always find a justification in their terms for it. (not that they could not kick you out for no reason at all, it would just make them look bad).

I'm with Jonah Gravenstein: Just don't stretch your luck. Don't be a massive prick and if anyone with a colorful name tells you to stop doing something, then stop doing it.

As an example, I once had an interesting conversation in the german help channel. A corp CEO wanted to kick an awoxer from his corp, but he could not. We figured out that the perp was online and in space, in which case he cannot join or leave a corp. We theorized that one would be able to stay in a corp forever that way, as long as one was able to come online right after downtime. A GM joined in and said that while this would indeed work, they'd probably step in if the awoxer kept doing this for more than a day or two.

From my experience, accidentally doing something CCP might consider inacceptable will not result in severe consequences right away (with the exception of a few very high profile examples. If whatever you are doing causes a community shitstorm, then chances are high that you are f\\ked). You may get a warning or a temporary (chat-)ban, but unless you are a repeat offender you probably won't get exed on the spot. So, don't worry about it too much, just don't be a prick.

OP, you didn't really think you had found a gaping error CCP's lawyers and everyone else who has ever read that EULA somehow missed, did you?

oh my...

In my opinion this rule NEEDS to change. CCP already has a clause stating they can terminate an account for what ever reason they feel like. It doesnt have to be a vague catch all rule for that. It is the same in EVERY MMO out there.

All this rule is, is for carebears who feel like they are getting picked on in game, in an open world PVP game.

The EULA is a document to restrict player behavior. It does not dictate CCP behavior. They don't have to enforce every single little detail of the EULA all the time. Non enforcement today doesn't mean they can't enforce something tomorrow. The player, on the other hand, is bound by the EULA and any behavior that violates it can be enforced by CCP at any time now or in the future.

CCP is perfectly allowed to ban you today for that thing you did 10 years ago, for example. The fact that they chose to ignore it for the past 10 years doesn't mean they lose that right. You're the one being limited as the licensee. CCP is the one granting the license. They can do what they want - including doing nothing at all.

cba'd to check the context, but considering it includes "website" I assume it means no hacking. Of course whatever twisted sicko who comes up with the world's EULAs makes them so they can mean whatever they want, whenever they want. And naturally that means CCP will do whatever they want, whenever they want, and has done up to the point where they've risked getting banned from certain countries. Oh, CCP, you corrupt bastards.

Don't you think someone must have noticed it in the past 14 years if it were the case?

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Wait... do you mean the rule quoted in the OP? I was advised against space lawyering... but one has to try everything fun in EvE.


I don't think that rule applies to ganking. Let's examine the wording: "You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game (...)"

It doesn't mean that players may not interfere with the enjoyment or another player. That would be virtually and practically impossible. We don't even need to look at pvp to see that: even byuing a cheap item faster than someone, or mining everything efficiently in a system when someone else wants to do the same may cause a certain negative emotion in others - regardless of how faint and brief it is.

What this rule forbids is to maim one's ability to enjoy the game. I can't really think of modern examples of how this could happen - guess camping someone 24/7 would fit. Taking down any number or value of assets definately not. My proof for that is any player who you see on the server. One day any one of them had nothing more than a noobship, yet they enjoyed the game, so they got to where they are now. QED.


Please correct me if I had incorrect assumptions or other factors that could invalidate my analysis. I can be just as mistaken as the tens of thousands of players who failed to notice that half of them violate a rule for a decade.


By the way... if you take another look at the wording, you'll notice that it only applies to subscribers. Feel free to be as mean to us Alphas as necessary.