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In my opinion, these changes will be interesting to play with, and I'm especially hyped for the Porpoise for wormhole gas and ice mining operations - also curious to see how we will be able to apply the Porpoise for use in PvP. That said, I think the ability to use cynosural field generators whilst under the influence of a Rorqual's P.A.N.I.C. module will be exceptionally overpowered. In effect, it allows a cynosural beacon to be lit whilst also stopping attacking forces from primarying the cyno ship to prevent hostile forces, potentially including supercarriers and titans, from jumping in.

This allows null-sec players a decided advantage over wormholers, above and beyond the current advantages they enjoy. Not only do wormholers not have the ability to own super-capital class vessels, but in general, we are prevented from excessive n-plus-one gameplay by mass restrictions. Our only counters currently to capital-class warfare when out in K-space are to deploy a mobile cynosural inhibitor (which only functions when deployed BEFORE the cyno is lit, and does not shut off an already active beacon), or to kill the cyno ship before anything jumps through, a difficult enough task already. This does not need an additional challenge added to it by making the cyno ship invulnerable for the majority of a beacon cycle.

I would suggest that if you insist upon allowing ships protected by P.A.N.I.C. to light a cyno, the activation of that beacon should automatically end the protection that P.A.N.I.C. provides - basically, if you light a cyno, it should be possible for you to lose that ship.

Looks like an impressive set of changes coming up for the industrial side of things this November!

As far as the Rorqual's PANIC ability and Cyno usage goes, I feel that it would be abused in more than a few situation. An example that comes to mind are large fleet fights where a 2-3 bil Rorqual can be seen as expendable as means to provide a full 5-7.5 minutes of cyno invulnerability. This would enable an uncontestable means to jump in a fleet into a system during an engagement and as such would provide an unfair (non-counterable) advantage to groups that have enough disposable income to sacrifice a Rorqual for each engagement. The only way to prevent this type of action within the current mechanics would be to use the cyno jammers to prevent the initiation of the cyno in the first place, which would require relying on the old POS mechanics and deployables.

My recommendation would be to either not allow cyno under the protection of a PANIC field or create a new command burst type module that can be used to close active (non-covert) cyno's (within a set range of course). If you make it a command burst module it will require a dedicated slot on any command ships to utilize so forethought is required on the part of the defenders and you will need to be on grid with it to utilize the effect. This means that there is risk on both sides of the engagement and would add to the list of de-buff's that are being added to the game so no new mechanic will be needed post patch. I would suggest covert cyno's could be immune to this burst since they are immune to other jamming means and only allow a relatively limited response (Black Ops Battleships and recon-esq ships) when compared to capital ships.

Just a few ideas and some feedback on the new PANIC field and how to work around the protected cyno aspects of it.

Regards,
Scythian Revenant

is the rorqual ship maintenance array still tied to only industrial ships?

10 rorqs multiboxed = 3B+ isk / hour....

Will Michi's and MX-1005 work on these new drones?

Not for long since the more people that do this the faster the mineral prices will crash.

That is what I would like to know as well.

While in panic, can miners eject from their barges and get into a combat ship in the Rorq's SMA? lol

How many multiboxers do you think have 20 or 50 accounts skilled to sit in a Rorqual?

How many have the drone skills ready?

How many have all the other skills involved ready?

Someone has posted that it will take 18 days to sit in the new Porpoise...That's all you'll do as well, you won't have skills to do anything else with it.

Plenty I know have been training/building in anticipation. Never underestimate the ingenuity of the industrialist.

Maybe I missed it, but can Rorqs carry mining frigs in their SMBs? Is this change included in November? If not, it should be.

It'd also be nice if Rorqs could carry noobships and shuttles in their SMBs too (for the obvious reasons), but that'd just be a nice bonus.

I think the problem that still has to be addressed is the OP of interceptor. Speed tank to drones and interdiction nullification.

To get the same bonuses you now need to commit the Rorqual to a fixed position for 5 minutes intervals over hours at a time. Other ships you can align out, but this negated by the keeping mining ships in range and having to siege.

This basically painting a big target on it. Risk versus reward.

You cannot defend a warp in from an interceptor.

There has been suggestions about countering (i.e. anti interdiciton nullified field, propulsion jam field disable all prop mods within 100 km etc).

Some of these would create interesting combat uses for rorquals.

I believe the best interim solution is to make consistent with carrier stream.

Porpoise = Myrm
Orca = Carrier
Rorqual = Super Carrier (has lots of special modules as well)

Give the rorqual the +5 warp strength that a super carrier has.

A single interceptor cannot tackle a super carrier unless faction fit. Will need multiple interceptors to hold it there. Instead of single speed tank interceptor immune to drones (faster) while the DPS fleet sits at range.

The industrial core modules need some AOE effect to be locked for 5minutes, given that it could be running for hours. Burns out or offline propulsion mods on interdiction nullified ships (this means interceptor have to choose between running props and out speed drones or be attacked by drones).

There is potential for game meta using this instead of I win interceptor for big kills. This can change the risk reward potential to make using in the belts.

The other thing that was not clear can industrial core run within a pos shield for compression?

Hope this provokes thought.