EVE General Discussion

lol
like the re***d that welped i don't remember how many frigates with his alt on his main?
to get all those killmarks! yea, i get what you mean

BTW, I'll also note that the complaint was that these AFK miners are not interacting with the "community", I would argue that by engaging in transactions is interacting with the community although perhaps not individual players.

And frankly, I just don't see the issue here. I don't intend on "interacting" with most players. Also, the economy in the game is one of anonymous exchange for the most part and it is awesome because we get more stuff.

Look, another delusional opus from EVE's resident griefer "Elite PVP" organization.

What would you guys do if players stopped going AFK in defenseless ships?

blah, blah, balh, make mining vessels defense as thin as a wet tissue so I can pew, pew them while MYSELF BEING AFK and still gank them with ease.



Btw, you do know why we all use procurers in highsec now, your organization made it impossible to mine in any ship that:

1) either costs a couple hundred million making the 2 catalysts it takes to gank one a huge loss discrepancy in YOUR favor.

2) Or it has such a wimped out defense already that using anything less than a fully tanked procurer is stupid.

The environment that you describe where one watches local with hyper vigilance at all times best describes other environments of game play like low, wh, and nullsec. If we make highsec like all those other environments then the game loses something rather than gains anything. And I CONCLUDE that homogenization of a game is ALWAYS detrimental because players that had an interest in that segment of the game that became homogenized leave the game because the no longer feel there is a place for them.

While certainly anecdotal one of the main reasons i stopped playing WOW after 8 years wasn't that the game overall was bad it had, in fact, become a much better game BUT the classes had started to become homogenized and so having reduced choice i quite the game.

I can assure you that should highsec become just another hyper vigilant place to play the game i will stop playing, the world is stressful enough without a video game adding any more stress to my life.

This is heartening to hear, but sadly we still find plenty of Hulks and Macks every day.

If it makes you feel any better, there is no profit to be made off ganking a T2-fitted exhumer. If a Catalyst costs 10m and two of them are needed to kill a poorly tanked Mack, then I would recover an average of 8m worth of loot from your wreck and 8m of my own wrecks, with a bit more from your T2 salvage if I'm lucky, and maybe some ore if I come back with a Miasmos.

A lot of the price increases have been because of CCPs changes to the game. Namely nerfing gun mining in the drone lands into non existance and the true war on bots that CCP themselves initiated imo. CODE sure helped dont get me wrong as it made it much easier to spot Im sure when someone was botting but was hardly the decisive factor imo.

Ive known a lot of players that literally have told me that they arent worried about so and so in local because of... and then I see their lossmails in corp and I lol. People do tend to be lazy. You see it everywhere, not just miners really. The semi afk ratter, the semi afk L4 runner, the semi afk FW plexer.

Depending on the warp distance, your skills, their skills and ship type differences the time from you entering system to landing and engaging is a set formula with only slight variations to it. If they dont pay attention for that long at the wrong time they end up dead, irregardless of the method or sec space they are in.

CCP has created a game where ships die, a lot, it is good for the game. Ganking is one of those means to an end and ironically one of the spokes on the miner/manufacturers wheel as well. Death and rebirth. And thats really all I know about that. But I do enjoy playing the game they did create.




And with that I shall retire and lurk till I finally pass out.

I was referring to freighters.

Except that without either party, the transaction is an impossibility. Regardless of how that transaction is processed, the two players still interact with one another, and the community as a whole. Money and items are exchanged, albeit by proxy. These items alter the balance of supply and demand by a noticable margin if you believe the OP's hyperbole.

If there were no interactions between these "bots" and the world, how would it be possible for the OP to list the supposed impact they have had? CODE. itself is a product of their presence. So is this thread, and the million others like it.

The parameters for this discussion were clearly laid out in the OP;



They do. There are entire alliances dedicated to their eradication, and social groups centered around their protection. They influence market prices. They die. They buy more ships, created with minerals they may or may not have mined and sold. Those minerals might have built one of my ships, or one of your ships, or any one of the numerous ships in existence right now. Maybe your modules are tainted with their unholy ore.

They just don't interact with you directly, and are under no obligation to do so. There's a difference, and I'm glad we've had this time to clear that up.

I would argue you don't have to be hyper vigilant to avoid being ganked most of the time. Keep local open and look at it, use alt-a to so you can see if somebody new comes in. Also, look for systems that CODE. does not frequent as much. They do exist. And if somebody lands in your belt align out, and consider keeping your ship in motion, a moving target is harder to hit. My guess is these moderate precautions will help you avoid ganks better than most. It is a case of not out running the bear, just out running the other miners...let the bear eat them.