EVE General Discussion

In terms of the current situation:

http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70577/1/3_mining.value.by.region.png

Nullsec and Highsec.

The Forge is typically 1 or 2 consistently and some null areas swap around a bit for places. Lonetrek and Domain are always up there.

So still lots of mining in highsec.

Miners used to be more than that.


No they listened to the exact opposite side, hence why so much content has been removed.


Wrong, that's what ALL of EVE was made for.

While they are extortionists, it was his choice to pay the permit fee.

Given that he went out and joined them on a few ops also means that he's learnt how the mechanics work, how to avoid them being used on him and the benefits of working with others towards a common goal; that puts him way ahead of many hisec players in risk mitigation.


It's a different kind of conflict, economic warfare by proxy if you will; there's a reason more than a few industrialists give CODE. regular donations to feed their SRP. It's also a type of conflict that works under very short timescales for the actual engagement, hence their fleet composition and tactics being that of a high DPS blob.

Don't be, or appear to be, weak; if you act like a victim in a game like Eve, somebody will be along shortly to strengthen that role-play and make you one.

What's good for the goose is also good for the gander.

Many hauler, miners and industrialists operate from NPC corps for the exact same reason, to avoid wardecs; which is one of the reasons that suicide ganking is an allowed playstyle, you're not meant to be safe anywhere. That's before we get into that waging a conventional war against CODE. wouldn't be the easiest of tasks considering that they're probably on reasonable terms with the hisec mercs and the various restrictions that the game applies to suicide gankers.

As for cowards? Who knows, what I do know is that some of them are either people, or alts of people, that indulge in PvP that involves other people shooting back.

You're right, the mechanics themselves are fairly simple; the basics being timers, EHP vs DPS calculations and moving concord around, the only real unknowns are the mood of the loot fairy and other players.

Which begs the question why do so many fail at using some of them to their advantage?

And the same man who doesn't pay for a permit because "mah balls" will likely cry on in local when his barge gets ganked

With the exception of a symbolic payment and an addition to your bio, the gankers don't really demand much that you shouldn't be doing anyway.

There's always a legitimate opponent when you get to write your own script, which is one of the great parts of Eve. In CODE.'s case that legitimate opponent is anybody without a permit, the criminality involved has no bearing on the matter.

Welcome to the most frightening virtual playground you'll ever experience.

It's been tried, CODE. don't care about ship losses and most of the ships that they do lose were destined to live very short lives anyway, in addition they'd probably get assistance from other merc corps (BAW have allied with them when Marmite decced them in the past) and they're used to bringing cheap, silly DPS (of all kinds) to parties.

In short the ships that they would have used to gank a freighter will simply be turned upon whoever has them wardecced and turns up to disrupt them.

As you can see here Most of the hi-sec minerals excluding pyerite are down on 2013 levels and when you consider the high levels of tritium, pyerite and mexallon and even isogen in null sec ores, it shows that hi-sec mining is not actually doing that well.
Especially when you look at some of the high volume regions that are null sec like Malpais, Delve and Providence you start to realise how few high sec miners are left.

Look at the places in hisec that miners used to frequent, Sinq Liason, Heimatar, Essence, Tash-Murkon all out done by null-sec regions. Null you know the place that is meant to be more dangerous that Hi-Sec.

Your claims that CODE is somehow serving some higher and noble purpose are lost on me. In simple biological terms, CODE is a parasite and I will always regard them as such.

As for your comments on war, and how it would likely work, it is clear to me from your comments that you don't understand how this might work. Or at least that such a thing hasn't happened yet. I am well aware that CODE uses many short lived ships and is fully prepared to loose them - but you also need to understand that any hypothetical opponent is also going to understand this as well. Perhaps we should leave this theory-crafting until we have more experiences to work with.

The only thing carebears have driven is the constant whinging and whining.

Those figures you are looking at increased right after the mineral rebalance. Go read the devblogs. It's all in black and white. That's why earlier the graphs were mining related, not minerals value related.

Drop the self importance. PvEers (not carebears) are no more or less valuable to the game than PvPers. Many players include a lot of different activities in their play from mining to pvp.

Only carebears who don't matter at all think they are key to the game's success.

If you bothered to read I did not the mineral rebalance, which was just over 30% so as I said null should be flat if it has had a 30% decline in players but megacyte has had a 50% increase.

You are right you do need PvErs and PvPers to make the game work properly and prosper. Problem is the game was set for so long to favour the PvPers that the PvErs left.

Like I said look at risk vs reward, 2 million loss in ships to kill a 200 million ship is not a balanced risk vs reward. Killing a 1.3 billion isk ship for 10 million loss in ships is not balanced. Yes there should be a risk but it needs to be a real loss like having to use at least 50% of the cost of the ship your attacking seems fair. You want to attack a freighter it should cost you 10 battle cruisers not 10 destroyers.

you know balance. Then the PvE players might look at the game again.

You can shoot them just fine. Just like they shoot other people.

Your claims in relation to cancer don't match the information CCP has concluded. Just another set of unvalidated opinions that you think must be true but have never actually checked.

What does highsec v nullsec have to do with this?

Mining and the value of the minerals is not the same thing. CCP rebalanced ores to make nullsec mining more rewarding. Of course it works out that way. It's by design.

You're on about carebears being the salt of the earth that holds the game together and woah betide CCP that they have left. Carebears bring nothing good to the game.

It's complete rubbish. That you can't get past your own bias isn't a fault of the data. That's your own narrow mindedness.