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why does it seem like CCP is castrating high sec content creators

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Bexol Regyri
Wrong Hole Deep Drilling Co.
#1 - 2016-04-29 19:40:46 UTC
I have only been playing eve for about 5 months and started out a high sec miner. One of the things that attracted me to eve was that it was pretty much what I expected of space from all the scifi books I read full of good guys and bad guys and that space is not a safe place. One of the things I found out right away was about 1/2 the players in space were not engaged in the game. There would be an ice belt with 30 people in it, but no one was really there. Their ships just mining away while they did stuff in real life. I almost fell into the same trap but then I met the pirates, as I later found out where called gankers in this game, mercs and griefers. At first I was like these guys are jerks to put it nicely. The more I watched them blow up people the more I realized they are forcing people to stay engaged in the game. At the same time I watched CCP make changes to hamper the high sec content creators and cater people to people that are not actively engaged while undocked. How does that help a healthy community?

so my question is why does it seem like CCP wants to stop or make close to impossible all non PVE highsec content when players have tons of in game tools avoid dying like d-scan, local chat, kills in system on map, etc...?
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2016-04-29 19:52:21 UTC
Because there is clearly at least one very high profile dev who wants to control the narrative of the game and he doesn't like gankers. In addition he continually lies to the community and makes up BS stories to feed people, but they are just never consistent.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#3 - 2016-04-29 20:01:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
I think you are rather confused, you are mistaking adjusting bad mechanics and balancing the game for blocking what you define as content.

Do you feel that it is a good mechanic that a ship can hold another in space and be protected in doing so by CONCORD, if you think that ending this practice is castrating content creators in hisec then I have to ask wouldn't you be better off in WOW.

EDIT: I am perhaps being a bit harsh with you because I do recognise them as content creators and add fun, however I can tell you bluntly that the mechanics have been to their benefit for a long time and to such a degree that it is almost laughable. Do you have any idea how easy these people had it?

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Shayla Etherodyne
Delta Laroth Industries
#4 - 2016-04-29 20:07:50 UTC
Note that the ability to bump hasn't been removed, simply there is a 3 minute timer for it.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#5 - 2016-04-29 20:08:53 UTC
Thank God we're not slugs.

Or all this salt over the bumping mechanics change would have killed us by now.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Bexol Regyri
Wrong Hole Deep Drilling Co.
#6 - 2016-04-29 20:10:30 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
I think you are rather confused, you are mistaking adjusting bad mechanics and balancing the game for blocking what you define as content.

Do you feel that it is a good mechanic that a ship can hold another in space and be protected in doing so by CONCORD, if you think that ending this practice is castrating content creators in hisec then I have to ask wouldn't you be better off in WOW.


I am guessing you are talking about the bumping changes, but again that can be avoided by checking your route on a map. If anything for that change it should be some kind of warp module that can placed on a ship or just take the whole aligning and getting up to speed a way instead of having some kind of loophole in the game mechanics.


I it seems you are confused, WOW is a ultra safe game compared to Eve. another reason why i am here instead of there.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#7 - 2016-04-29 20:14:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Bexol Regyri wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
I think you are rather confused, you are mistaking adjusting bad mechanics and balancing the game for blocking what you define as content.

Do you feel that it is a good mechanic that a ship can hold another in space and be protected in doing so by CONCORD, if you think that ending this practice is castrating content creators in hisec then I have to ask wouldn't you be better off in WOW.


I am guessing you are talking about the bumping changes, but again that can be avoided by checking your route on a map. If anything for that change it should be some kind of warp module that can placed on a ship or just take the whole aligning and getting up to speed a way instead of having some kind of loophole in the game mechanics.


I it seems you are confused, WOW is a ultra safe game compared to Eve. another reason why i am here instead of there.


I am hardly confused, a Macherial bumping a freighter is pretty damn safe, he is carrying out PvP without consequences and being protected to boot by CONCORD. Tell me again that I am confused in pointing this loophole of a mechanic out.

Go and enjoy ganking its fun, but stop whining about removing something that gave expensive kills with no consequences, its tedious and pathetic and makes you look weak.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#8 - 2016-04-29 20:16:15 UTC
Am I the only one who cringed every time I hear the phrase "Content Creators"? It sounds so cheesy, horrible, and as if people are desperate to give some lofty name to simply playing the game. Worst part is, it seems to be limited to only a few groups who can claim credit for creating content despite so many others who create their own content. That guy who's trying to figure out max speed per ship type and opening it to the masses, he's a content creator because he is creating content, and I don't think CCP is nerfing his effort.

RvB is creating content and last I checked, CCP did not nerf our ability to make content.

Groups like Marmite and Break a Wish create content, haven't heard cries of CCP nerfing them (well, the watch list change, but nothing of late).

All the not purple shoot it groups that gather people in hi sec and take them out fighting is content creation. No nerf there.

The people trying to make new citadel trade hubs are creating content. CCP just gave them a job.

But nope, change the bumping mechanic (which I think we could safely assume is the OP's gripe) and CCP is all for nerfing content creators.

Sorry, changing one mechanic isn't nerfing the content creators. At best it is changing one dynamic. Plus, we don't even know the change m it could be that any point resets the counter. Guess what that means a new player can now help contribute to ganking by training warp disrupt to level 1 and acting as a suicide point. New content for new players will be created! They may not fly a catalyst or nado, but they can help in the gank with this change.

So really how is this nerfing content creation when there is so much more content to create throughout New Eden?
Bexol Regyri
Wrong Hole Deep Drilling Co.
#9 - 2016-04-29 20:18:12 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Bexol Regyri wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
I think you are rather confused, you are mistaking adjusting bad mechanics and balancing the game for blocking what you define as content.

Do you feel that it is a good mechanic that a ship can hold another in space and be protected in doing so by CONCORD, if you think that ending this practice is castrating content creators in hisec then I have to ask wouldn't you be better off in WOW.


I am guessing you are talking about the bumping changes, but again that can be avoided by checking your route on a map. If anything for that change it should be some kind of warp module that can placed on a ship or just take the whole aligning and getting up to speed a way instead of having some kind of loophole in the game mechanics.


I it seems you are confused, WOW is a ultra safe game compared to Eve. another reason why i am here instead of there.


I am hardly confused, a Macherial bumping a freighter is pretty damn safe, he is carrying out PvP without consequences and being protected to boot by CONCORD. Tell me again that I am confused in pointing this loophole of a mechanic out.

Go and enjoy ganking its fun, but stop whining about removing something that gave expensive kills with no consequences, its tedious and pathetic and makes you look weak.


For starters I am not a ganker, I was just saying evil balances the good. I wasn't talking about just the bumping changes but all the changes i have seen the bad guys complain about.

and I said you were confused about WOW not you opinion on game mechanics
LeGenius Chic Anisha
Doomheim
#10 - 2016-04-29 20:23:04 UTC
I love this pompous self-labeling as 'content creators', like you have this special status Lol if it weren't for the miners and freighters you'd have no content, at least not the easy kind you're after. You wouldn't have any ships either Blink
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#11 - 2016-04-29 20:24:59 UTC
This is not just about bumping mechanics.

It's not that long ago that the community was told, that CCP likes to balance changes in one direction with changes in the other.

Doing that would actually be balanced, but the evidence of changes over the last couple of years demonstatrates that's a lie.

Changes one way are not always balanced by changes the other.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Bexol Regyri
Wrong Hole Deep Drilling Co.
#12 - 2016-04-29 20:25:38 UTC
LeGenius Chic Anisha wrote:
I love this pompous self-labeling as 'content creators', like you have this special status Lol if it weren't for the miners and freighters you'd have no content, at least not the easy kind you're after. You wouldn't have any ships either Blink


I am a miner, you can find me in Gamis whenever the ice belt is up.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2016-04-29 20:27:37 UTC
LeGenius Chic Anisha wrote:
You wouldn't have any ships either Blink

Hackneyed argument made by people with little intelligence.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Fiddly Pop
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#14 - 2016-04-29 20:29:56 UTC
Bexol Regyri wrote:

I am guessing you are talking about the bumping changes, but again that can be avoided by checking your route on a map. If anything for that change it should be some kind of warp module that can placed on a ship or just take the whole aligning and getting up to speed a way instead of having some kind of loophole in the game mechanics.


You are absolutely correct putting a 3 minute time on warps is a loophole. It should be a warp fail safe module or the aligning and hitting warp speed should be done away with if they want to stop bumping.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#15 - 2016-04-29 20:31:19 UTC
Bexol Regyri wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Bexol Regyri wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
I think you are rather confused, you are mistaking adjusting bad mechanics and balancing the game for blocking what you define as content.

Do you feel that it is a good mechanic that a ship can hold another in space and be protected in doing so by CONCORD, if you think that ending this practice is castrating content creators in hisec then I have to ask wouldn't you be better off in WOW.


I am guessing you are talking about the bumping changes, but again that can be avoided by checking your route on a map. If anything for that change it should be some kind of warp module that can placed on a ship or just take the whole aligning and getting up to speed a way instead of having some kind of loophole in the game mechanics.


I it seems you are confused, WOW is a ultra safe game compared to Eve. another reason why i am here instead of there.


I am hardly confused, a Macherial bumping a freighter is pretty damn safe, he is carrying out PvP without consequences and being protected to boot by CONCORD. Tell me again that I am confused in pointing this loophole of a mechanic out.

Go and enjoy ganking its fun, but stop whining about removing something that gave expensive kills with no consequences, its tedious and pathetic and makes you look weak.


For starters I am not a ganker, I was just saying evil balances the good. I wasn't talking about just the bumping changes but all the changes i have seen the bad guys complain about.

and I said you were confused about WOW not you opinion on game mechanics


I rather enjoy the content they create, I rather like shooting them, but you came out with your title making a pretty strong statement which you are now backing off on. Where is the castration? Bumping something in a Macherial is the definition of WOW, no consequences and if you think that removing this is castration when its removing a completely stupid mechanic taht got around the whole concept of Eve in having consequences...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Bexol Regyri
Wrong Hole Deep Drilling Co.
#16 - 2016-04-29 20:35:53 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


I rather enjoy the content they create, I rather like shooting them, but you came out with your title making a pretty strong statement which you are now backing off on. Where is the castration? Bumping something in a Macherial is the definition of WOW, no consequences and if you think that removing this is castration when its removing a completely stupid mechanic taht got around the whole concept of Eve in having consequences...


I wasn't just talking about the bumping changes but all the changes i have seen since November that hurt mercs, griefers & gankers. You can't have good without bad.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#17 - 2016-04-29 20:36:09 UTC
You are not the only one who cringes...it's a pathetically self-serving term which doesn't really mean anything beyond 'playing the game as designed'.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#18 - 2016-04-29 20:42:27 UTC
I can't say content anymore without saying it like content

Roll

Bottom line is PvP or PvE, you are both getting away with the 'identity crisis' that is highsec. You both do what you do without any consequence, well except for the lame wardec mechanic and bumping/ganking.

@lunettelulu7

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#19 - 2016-04-29 20:47:03 UTC
Bexol Regyri wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


I rather enjoy the content they create, I rather like shooting them, but you came out with your title making a pretty strong statement which you are now backing off on. Where is the castration? Bumping something in a Macherial is the definition of WOW, no consequences and if you think that removing this is castration when its removing a completely stupid mechanic taht got around the whole concept of Eve in having consequences...


I wasn't just talking about the bumping changes but all the changes i have seen since November that hurt mercs, griefers & gankers. You can't have good without bad.


Have you any idea just how easy they had it , no you don't, and you come out and say they are being castrated, a bad mechanic is at last after many years being adjusted, there have been some balance changes.

Watch list changes are hurting people who hunt, however the watch lists were removed because it was preventing major battles because the major alliances had all the cap pilots on their watch lists so when they saw them log in they decided not to do anything. The impact is that it hurts another area of game play, I could start listing similar things that have reduced my game play. The comment about castrating was silly.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#20 - 2016-04-29 20:47:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Dracvlad wrote:
I think you are rather confused, you are mistaking adjusting bad mechanics and balancing the game for blocking what you define as content.

I think it is you that is confused, but that is situation normal.

Beginning from Retribution (Dec 2012) when destroyers were rebalanced, if you go through each change made to the game that either benefits ganking (assigning +1 for easier ganking) or makes it harder (assigning -1 for more difficult), then you can actually see the evidence yourself objectively whether things have been balanced or not,

So starting with a +1 for the destroyer rebalance in Retribution and coming to the latest change, even allowing for some differences in opinion, over the last 3 1/2 years, the balance is around the -4 to -8 mark.

That's not balance. That's nerf.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

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