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why does it seem like CCP is castrating high sec content creators

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#621 - 2016-06-27 08:55:25 UTC
Aaron wrote:
Galaxy Pig wrote:
Robertina Palazzo wrote:
hisec content creation aka people who cannot pvp without fighting something they know for a fact cannot get help or fight back in time?

Or hisec content creation that organizes wars (economically and pvp) that do more than sit outside jita iv for 20 hours a day?

i still laugh at "content creation" being used only by people to justify abusing mechanics for their own edge.



Ha! Yeah, like the other day, I was moving in on this mackinaw, he seemed all alone, I knew for a FACT that he couldn't possibly get help or fight back in time. Was gonna be such a sweet kill, modulated strip miners, the whole works. Iand on top of him, perfect range! Open fire, get him halway through armor and then...

lose my target lock... What?

a wild falcon appeared and jammed me good. I lost my ship, he survived and even profited off of my loot.

It was almost like he anticipated me and took steps to protect himself, I know, weird right?


Somewhat off topic, i know.

This is what I am talking about. The mackinaw and falcon pilots knew what galaxy pig was going to do and were able to destroy his ship. Brilliant gameplay, no complaining or asking for anything to be changed they used whatever means currently in the game to protect themselves and it paid off.

Can't someone create a miners protection corp and just keep doing this? You can make a huge difference to the game by getting organised and having a goal which people wlll support. By working as a team this one post shows that it is reasonably easy stopping CODE.


That would be AG players Aaron, you will find them in the Anti-Ganking channel, there is also a Gank-Intel channel. A number of players specialise in using Falcons in this way. There are obvious reasons why you will not see a corp as the focal point of such an effort

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Tasspool Harp
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#622 - 2016-06-27 09:42:37 UTC
Aaron wrote:


Somewhat off topic, i know.

This is what I am talking about. The mackinaw and falcon pilots knew what galaxy pig was going to do and were able to destroy his ship. Brilliant gameplay, no complaining or asking for anything to be changed they used whatever means currently in the game to protect themselves and it paid off.

Can't someone create a miners protection corp and just keep doing this? You can make a huge difference to the game by getting organised and having a goal which people wlll support. By working as a team this one post shows that it is reasonably easy stopping CODE.


I could offer another interpretation that the mackinaw and falcon pilots are controlled by the same player . In which case rather than being an example of co-operative gameplay in high-sec and a miner having a buddy who has nothing better to do than sit idling in his falcon waiting for a ganker to show up, it just shows the benefit of having a 2nd account.
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#623 - 2016-06-27 13:19:29 UTC
It shows the benefit of using your brain instead of crying for nerfs.

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#624 - 2016-06-27 13:59:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Dracvlad wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Galaxy Pig wrote:
Robertina Palazzo wrote:
hisec content creation aka people who cannot pvp without fighting something they know for a fact cannot get help or fight back in time?

Or hisec content creation that organizes wars (economically and pvp) that do more than sit outside jita iv for 20 hours a day?

i still laugh at "content creation" being used only by people to justify abusing mechanics for their own edge.



Ha! Yeah, like the other day, I was moving in on this mackinaw, he seemed all alone, I knew for a FACT that he couldn't possibly get help or fight back in time. Was gonna be such a sweet kill, modulated strip miners, the whole works. Iand on top of him, perfect range! Open fire, get him halway through armor and then...

lose my target lock... What?

a wild falcon appeared and jammed me good. I lost my ship, he survived and even profited off of my loot.

It was almost like he anticipated me and took steps to protect himself, I know, weird right?


Somewhat off topic, i know.

This is what I am talking about. The mackinaw and falcon pilots knew what galaxy pig was going to do and were able to destroy his ship. Brilliant gameplay, no complaining or asking for anything to be changed they used whatever means currently in the game to protect themselves and it paid off.

Can't someone create a miners protection corp and just keep doing this? You can make a huge difference to the game by getting organised and having a goal which people wlll support. By working as a team this one post shows that it is reasonably easy stopping CODE.


That would be AG players Aaron, you will find them in the Anti-Ganking channel, there is also a Gank-Intel channel. A number of players specialise in using Falcons in this way. There are obvious reasons why you will not see a corp as the focal point of such an effort
He said organised, antiganking in its current guise is about as effective as a chocolate fireguard.

edit: IMHO the antigankers would get better results if they focussed on educating would be gank victims instead of trying to prevent ganks, if you do the first one right the second naturally follows.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#625 - 2016-06-27 14:58:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
]He said organised, antiganking in its current guise is about as effective as a chocolate fireguard.

edit: IMHO the antigankers would get better results if they focussed on educating would be gank victims instead of trying to prevent ganks, if you do the first one right the second naturally follows.


AG is a resistance movement, and yet another cheap shot by Mr never shoot anyone who happens to be on the no gank list, so he can shoot his mouth off pretending to be good at not getting caught, all he has to worry about is the Russians and PL. He has nothing to fear from CODE / Goons. So much for anything you say about your skill at not dying....

EDIT: And before you get all butthurt, I will point out that it is possible to be added to that list without you knowing.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#626 - 2016-06-27 17:25:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Dracvlad wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
]He said organised, antiganking in its current guise is about as effective as a chocolate fireguard.

edit: IMHO the antigankers would get better results if they focussed on educating would be gank victims instead of trying to prevent ganks, if you do the first one right the second naturally follows.


AG is a resistance movement, and yet another cheap shot
That wasn't a cheap shot, it's fact, AG are pretty ineffectual at what they do.

You guys favour intervening in ganks, I favour education so that the ganks don't happen in the first place.

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by Mr never shoot anyone who happens to be on the no gank list, so he can shoot his mouth off pretending to be good at not getting caught, all he has to worry about is the Russians and PL. He has nothing to fear from CODE / Goons. So much for anything you say about your skill at not dying...

EDIT: And before you get all butthurt, I will point out that it is possible to be added to that list without you knowing.
In turn I shall point out that the only correct statement in your little diatribe is that I don't shoot at other people. As far as I'm aware I'm not on a "do not gank list" held by any organisation in Eve; be it one held by Goons, James and his band of happy hitmen, PL or the Russians; I don't see any reason I would be on such a list either.

In fact, I'm pretty sure that if I was stupid enough to fly an overloaded, undertanked hauler through one of the chokepoints in hisec, Goons and CODE. would quite happily shoot me in the face, relieve me of my stuff, and do foul things to my corpse. That I don't do these things, and that there are plenty who do, which makes them sitting ducks, is probably why they don't shoot me in the face Shocked

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#627 - 2016-06-27 17:38:37 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
]He said organised, antiganking in its current guise is about as effective as a chocolate fireguard.

edit: IMHO the antigankers would get better results if they focussed on educating would be gank victims instead of trying to prevent ganks, if you do the first one right the second naturally follows.


AG is a resistance movement, and yet another cheap shot
That wasn't a cheap shot, it's fact, AG are pretty ineffectual at what they do.

You guys favour intervening in ganks, I favour education so that the ganks don't happen in the first place.

Quote:
by Mr never shoot anyone who happens to be on the no gank list, so he can shoot his mouth off pretending to be good at not getting caught, all he has to worry about is the Russians and PL. He has nothing to fear from CODE / Goons. So much for anything you say about your skill at not dying...

EDIT: And before you get all butthurt, I will point out that it is possible to be added to that list without you knowing.
In turn I shall point out that the only correct statement in your little diatribe is that I don't shoot at other people. As far as I'm aware I'm not on a "do not gank list" held by any organisation in Eve; be it one held by Goons, James and his band of happy hitmen, PL or the Russians; I don't see any reason I would be on such a list either.

In fact I'm pretty sure that if I was stupid enough to fly an overloaded, undertanked hauler through one of the chokepoints in hisec Goons and CODE. would quite happily shoot me in the face, relieve me of my stuff, and do foul things to my corpse; that I don't do these things, and that there are plenty who do, which makes them sitting ducks, is probably why they don't shoot me in the face Shocked


You are on the no gank list..

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#628 - 2016-06-27 18:10:40 UTC
We do not speak of the list!

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#629 - 2016-06-27 18:19:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Dracvlad wrote:
You are on the no gank list..
You have proof of this claim? Or are you just assuming so because my narrative doesn't agree with yours?

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Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#630 - 2016-06-27 18:22:28 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
You are on the no gank list..
You have proof of this claim? Or are you just assuming so because my narrative doesn't agree with yours?

You are on my no-gank list Jonah sweetie x

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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#631 - 2016-06-27 18:24:32 UTC
Lmao Dracvlad lives in a fantasy world of his own design.

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#632 - 2016-06-27 18:51:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
You are on the no gank list..
You have proof of this claim? Or are you just assuming so because my narrative doesn't agree with yours?

You are on my no-gank list Jonah sweetie x

Lub u 2 P

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#633 - 2016-06-27 18:55:24 UTC
Just putting this out there,
Im fairly fond of him but i would shoot jonah's face off in a heartbeat.
In fact i would go out of my way to do so if i thoughgt i could catch his pod.

He would go on my mantle next to tippia, unsucessfull at everything and leto thule (im making a collection)

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#634 - 2016-06-27 18:59:37 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Just putting this out there,
Im fairly fond of him but i would shoot jonah's face off in a heartbeat.
In fact i would go out of my way to do so if i thoughgt i could catch his pod.

He would go on my mantle next to tippia, unsucessfull at everything and leto thule (im making a collection)


Are you ganking freighters? Well you shoot them if they run around while at war with you, but it is not the same.

I said all I needed to say, he is on the no gank list.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#635 - 2016-06-27 19:31:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Galaxy Pig
Of course he's on the no gank list. All high-ranking members of the illuminati are on the list!

Now shhhh!

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#636 - 2016-06-27 19:55:55 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


EDIT: And before you get all butthurt, I will point out that it is possible to be added to that list without you knowing.


Impressive, turning the lack of evidence in favor of a hypothesis into evidence in favor of a hypothesis.

With reasoning like that anything is possible. In fact, I submit that Dracvlad is in fact CCP Fozzie. Do I have any evidence of this? No, but that gaping empty hole of evidence...why it speaks volumes!

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#637 - 2016-06-27 19:58:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
You are on the no gank list..
You have proof of this claim? Or are you just assuming so because my narrative doesn't agree with yours?


The fact you haven't been ganked, that you are denying you are on a no-gank list...pretty obvious dude, you are on the no-gank list. And don't bother getting ganked, we'll all know it is a sham gank so that you can continue your subversive activities while posing as a somebody not on the no gank list.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#638 - 2016-06-27 20:08:13 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


EDIT: And before you get all butthurt, I will point out that it is possible to be added to that list without you knowing.


Impressive, turning the lack of evidence in favor of a hypothesis into evidence in favor of a hypothesis.

With reasoning like that anything is possible. In fact, I submit that Dracvlad is in fact CCP Fozzie. Do I have any evidence of this? No, but that gaping empty hole of evidence...why it speaks volumes!


If you say so..., you seem to have a bit of an attitude towards CCP Fozzie who is a genuinely nice guy, is it because you are blaming him for your inability to hold on to Sov?

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#639 - 2016-06-27 20:15:42 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


EDIT: And before you get all butthurt, I will point out that it is possible to be added to that list without you knowing.


Impressive, turning the lack of evidence in favor of a hypothesis into evidence in favor of a hypothesis.

With reasoning like that anything is possible. In fact, I submit that Dracvlad is in fact CCP Fozzie. Do I have any evidence of this? No, but that gaping empty hole of evidence...why it speaks volumes!


If you say so..., you seem to have a bit of an attitude towards CCP Fozzie who is a genuinely nice guy, is it because you are blaming him for your inability to hold on to Sov?


Oh for the love of God....

Yes, yes I blame Fozzie! If it weren't for him I'd still be falling asleep while ratting in Branch.

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Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#640 - 2016-06-27 20:18:24 UTC
You know I love you honey.

But "why does it seem like CCP is castrating high sec scrublers content creators" has little to do with sov.
Someone please remind me what triggered this round of gank/antigank? Seems like almost every thread gets bogged down by it. Surely there is other content, yes?

Wardecs perhaps? How the new citadels are playing out? Whenever my alt flies through highsec I see people buzzing around keeping the wheel of industry turning, exploring, incursioning, moving ships, inventing, salvaging, mission running, mining, hubcamping, chasing after their personal vendettas, getting ready for a major move op or gathering in a final staging before diving off to FW/spectre fleets ..... only 2% (if that) is ganking. Why is 98% of this thread filled with such marginal activities?