EVE General Discussion

While true enough, remember that gankers also improve, and many non-ganker highsec players who improve simply realise they can get more reward in other areas of space and move on, meaning that the people left in highsec as targets for gankers are generally the newer and less experiences players.

Join RVB. Open to everyone. We could always use more people to shoot at.

I'd like to see the numbers to back up this opinion. I'm seeing something entirely contrary to this when it comes to the lower grade ores.

On the topic of profitable HiSec piracy...

The idea that piracy must be profitable at all times is as ludicrous as the idea that mining must be profitable at all times.

Part of this game is learning the game. If a miner never graduates beyond pointing a civilian miner at a Veldspar asteroid then they deserve to have pathetic ISK income and poor 'profit'.

If a would-be pirate doesn't learn which targets to gank for profit and which are a loss, then it's not the target's problem or the games', it's the foolish pirates' problem.

I keep reading how people think HiSec is 'broken' or irrelevant, or whatever. HiSec is working fine. It's low return for low risk.

I watched a near 'gank' last night while doing the rare bit mining some White Glaze. I was fleeted up with my Corp mate and being in a Procurer and Skiff, we weren't attractive targets (being surrounded by a swarm of combat drones made us even less palatable). Now, fully loaded our cargos were worth about 3 million ISK each. However, we weren't worth the ship loss for that because of the tougher ships and the tougher fight. A skilled pirate would know that. A pirate did stop in the field with a Merlin and threatened a Retriever. We were laughing at that because a Merlin would have a hard time killing a Retriever fast enough before Concord would arrive, but the Merlin pilot said something to the effect that if he'd been in a Catalyst he could've pulled it off. We agreed, it's possible if everything goes right and a Retriever can carry a larger cargo load, so it could be profitable. Not much, but the goal of HiSec piracy is to not make buckets of ISK, it's to make ISK based on a known low Risk profile and get ship combat in. Sure, you lose the Catalyst, but your buddies get the loot.

The point is, if you want high profit margins, HiSec is *NOT* for you and if you could make high margins with a ship based activity there, then HiSec would be broken.

Now, just like mining, if you are clever and willing to do a bit of work and jumping around a bit, you can find that nice tidy 'score' that will net more ISK than you'd get if you just did an easier, but lower profit, piracy profile pattern. This is why I've come to the conclusion that there's very little difference between HiSec mining and HiSec piracy, only the target and means to mine it are different.

Don't forget my other posts where I stated:
-endless bumping should be nerfed
-miner ganking (who decided to go for tank) should be gankable but not profitable

In addition excuses like 'Im too weak for anything but HS', 'no Corp will take me' and 'its too unsafe and I lose everything outside of HS' are just foolish and Rob themselves of the great experiance eve is. Everyone can play as he likes but not learning the mechanics and just whining if something gets nerfed or buffers just low. Even with little time (but the willingness to learn) can get you very far in eve. I lived like 6months out of a depot in c5s with my chars, just because I wanted to know if it's fun and possible (it is and was)

Perhaps one of the unintended consequences of ganking is the loss of players. When I initially stumbled upon Eve, I was searching for a strategic simulation, not a Shoot-em up, who has the fastest trigger finger. Being ganked by 5 catalyst to 1 mining barge is not my idea of fun, even on the occasion where Concord gets there before I am podded.

The point being that as a content creation justification. It may be content one does not wish and so many are choosing with their feet. As in walking away!

When I want PVP, I go to Null sec, or lately to Elite Dangerous.

Pity.

Ganking actually retains players, it certainly retains the ganker, and since they likely PVP in non gank scenarios, it probably helps retain other PVP players if the opponents and gang mates are sticking around.

There is something like 1000 systems in highsec, pretty much all of which have more or less the same rocks and some systems have far lower population than others, which makes local relevant for basic safety intel. If a local of 3 spikes by 5, you'll see it, and you know then its time to d-scan, and if you then see 5 cats on d-scan, you know its time to warp.

So what you are actually describing for us, is you being terrible about location choice, you being terrible about awareness and you being terrible at evasion.

I don't know what experience you supposedly have in null, but IMO unless you actually learned to play the barge properly, I can't see you doing much more than following an FCs instructions for PVP "fun".

Bumping mechanics. Every time I read that I have to chortle. Bumping mechanics. That's like calling tripping people in the elementary school hallway "step denial maneuvers". Bumping mechanics. Please, swear to me there's a smidge of intelligence left in this place.

Thanks to the OP for the original thread, but as with most threads in this vein Haters will hate and Trolls always troll, seems that is the way with Eve these days.


As I see it the posters here mostly give you two options, Play the game there way or get out, they will tolerate nothing less. Not really an attractive environment for players that really don't want to engage in that type of game play.

It may go unheard in this feeding frenzy but I agree that CCP has for a very long time attacked 'Self Content Generation' for players in favour of the current FPS type play but this is not confined to Hi-Sec or to mining,

The way they have currently titled the game with terms like 'Bring on the Wrecking crew and Wreck there dreams' all point to a very myopic view towards Eve, not much balance really, you either join the game and have fewer options or simply don't join it would appear.

I have yet to find the 'Hundreds of Thousands' of players in the game, but maybe the above quote from CCP's recent adverts might go a long way to explaining why they are no longer around and probably never will be.

Why remove faction police? If you anger a faction, they should harass you. If you run too many anti-gallante missions you should be chased around their space. Don't like it, train diplomacy and fix your standings. In a faction warfare militia, the other side's patrons should chase you. Removing faction police seems to be taking one of the few bits of your actions having consequences and throwing it out. If any thing, extend it! If Angels or Serpentis hate you, in their nul npc sov space, thier faction police should attack you on site as well. It would make npc null much more interesting.

Only if we can have Minmatar and Anmatarrians in the belts. Right now, when living in their space and trying to uphold their law, you still get shot at by Angel rats; which never made sense to me.

Do Minmatar harass the belts in Metropolis? No, Angel rookies do. Then why do the Angels, with whom I have excellent standings, insist on attacking me in belts in Utopia? Go pester peeps in the Republic, dumbo!

It'd make standing towards highsec factions automatically degrade, as it ought to. Currently, Curse dwellers are the heroes of the republic because :outlaw: