EVE General Discussion

For a long time, my "shtick" was exploration of combat sites. Now there was once a time when radar sites were also combat sites. But there was a window where CCP changed something very important about those sites before they separated out combat from exploration sites.

What I used to do was go into nullsec radar sites (in a T1 fit "exploration Cyclone" that had a DPS somewhere under 300), execute some amazing Captain Kirkery and Drone Fu, and hack the container while the fight raged on. I could even do this to sleeper sites up to class 3 with that ship.

I did this for years. Using wormholes to nullsec and back, coming back with fat loot. No bubble camps, and going for weeks at a time in deep null not even seeing another player.

Until one day I saw this message (paraphrased ):

"This container cannot be opened while it is being defended".


And that was the end of it all. It was over. Done. Didn't get a chance to whine in any forums, there were no "exploration CSMs" to vote for like there are goon CSMs and nullsec CSMs and ganking CSMs, didn't even know it was coming.

I found a wormhole home and didn't know what to do for a long time.

And now I have to hear self-entitled highsec suicide gankers whine about their job getting more difficult while CCP bends over backwards NOT to dunk their ganking cult.

Over the years there have been many posts from gankers/griefers telling high sec carebears to adapt or GTFO. It would seem now griefers should take their own advice.

Again, barges are the only subcaps that are unprofitable to gank even when fitted with zero tank, cargo extenders/rigs and a full fit of t2 mods. The only ones.

Why is it that you feel miners should get this special treatment?



Those wouldnt be the target, the target would be the barges choosing to fit no tank at all.



How many times must I make the same point?

Barges are the only subcaps that are unprofitable to gank even when fitted with zero tank, cargo extenders/rigs and a full fit of t2 mods.

What are you so afraid of? Fit a tank, any tank and you are safe, fit no tank and you are profitable to gank, just like a suicide gank talos.

Fixed that for you as baltec1 clearly thinks otherwise; both of your views are subjective, not objective

This applies to you both, see my comment above.

Well let me come at this from a slightly different angle.

We all can agree that mining is the single most boring activity in eve today. There is next to no risk when you are sitting in a skiff in highsec even compared to the low income level. Back in 2010-12 mining had some of the most interesting gamplay going in highsec. Yes, it was because they were exploding due to failing to fit a tank but that level of content kept them busy. They were activly playing the game trying to protect themselves, hunt down attackers, banding together to protect their cans and so on. At the time the forums were aflame with propaganda and speculation while the interdictions happened. Mining was exciting, there were stories nearly every day getting made.

Today, you suck on a rock and are ignored.

Except we know that's not true, I already pointed out the occator and all the shuttles.

I don't, I just think you're picking out ridiculous metrics to claim them as special. I'm sure if we look hard enough we can find a metric by which every ship is a special snowflake, and most of them would be as ridiculous as this one.

Which is exactly as it is now. Those people who choose to fit no tank, they are called "hulk pilots". Someone flying a skiff has already made an active decision to pick tank over yield. How the hell do you still not understand that?

an infinite number of times because it remains as ridiculous as it ever has been.

Oh, you mean kinda like it is right now? Once again for those playing along at home, by choosing a skiff you are choosing tank over yield and thus do not have "no tank".

That's because they are miners, not haulers. 15000 m3 of Ore does not yield much profit.
The better question would be: if the cargo is worthless, why do people want to rob them?

I totally get that stealing expensive cargo is the road to profit. Since this does not include mining barges, it is very clear that profit is not their motivation. Sanbox / fun / economical terrorism all fine and good. But I distinctly recall it was You telling me in another thread (on assault frigs / T3s) that ISK balancing is bad. I didn't agree, but since You said it yourself you now have to live with that.

Sorry bud. I'll upvote when appropriate, no matter who made the point. But thus far I haven't heard your reasoning WHY you should be entitled to profit. In my book, it's the other way around: people would gank if there's profit to be made. If there is no profit, the ganking should stop. The latter is not the case, therefore profit clearly has nothing to do with your motivations.

Since I started playing in 2009 until the change in tank mining ship were exploding even when people fitted a maximum tank, I stopped mining in any shape or form because it was just silly. It was not the miner who had the interesting game play, it was people running around blowing them up, yes initially tsome miners may have had fun, but then those players realised that they were sitting ducks and they could do little to protect themselves in such expensive ships against a single Catalyst. People started to leave the game in disgust. You dispute this, but I saw people leave and I met people in other games who said that is why they left Eve, it was at this point when I saw people leaving in disgust I started pushing CCP to put a tank on mining ships.

Eve was growing due to big battles and stuff like that, but the loss of these players was under-mining the growth of the player base. CCP buffed the tanks because they realised that they had lost a lot of players due to the ease of ganking them

I was not watching what people were doing in terms of mining at that time, just reading about it and speaking to some people I knew who all dropped out bythe way. The mechanics were not assisting any chance of resisting, much as it is now. It came down to what were the poorest players in the game having to take catastrophic losses on the chin or on their wet paper bag tank without any real way to fight back. You enjoyed it, they did not. Balance is when both sides enjoy it and feel that they have a chance.

I can see where you are coming from, but here is the rub, Herzog lost his play style due to game balance, I lost mine due to game balance, you lost yours due to game balance, sometimes you have to move on and accept it.

I've engaged in more can flipping after Barges were changed to have ore holds than before they were changed.

However your pov in this thread is utterly self absorbed, since you've fought viciously against my suggestions in other threads to allow industrial ships like transports and barges full fitting options, instead crying in those threads that they have to stay with their nerfed fittings simply because they aren't DPS ships. Therefore it's obvious to all what your bone here is, you want to be able to grief people you have deemed targets. And yes I specifically use the word grief with regard to what you want to do.

The areas of space that are so well protected you can't even shoot some guy bumping you without getting executed for it