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Balancing bumping and looting mechanics

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Bella Jennie
Doomheim
#1081 - 2016-02-06 13:51:00 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
bigbud skunkafella wrote:
if your position is that these mechanics are perfectly fine as they are and there is no point discussing any proposals to change them, then you have made this perfectly clear in your previous posts. so why continue posting?


Why do you keep on saying "so ''illegally'' obstructing a law abiding pilot for a potentially unlimited amount of time with no consequences" after being shown multiple times that its not illegal and that there are many very easy ways of getting out and/or avoiding the situation entirely?


silly....

We are saying that it SHOULD BE made illegal..

you don't realize that?

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1082 - 2016-02-06 13:52:29 UTC
Bella Jennie wrote:

We are saying that it SHOULD BE made illegal..


And that not only breaks game balance, is not necessary, but is also impossible.

You very literally cannot be more wrong.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Bella Jennie
Doomheim
#1083 - 2016-02-06 13:57:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Bella Jennie
baltec1 wrote:
Someone has yet to post any evidence that change is needed.

when someone has as closed a mind as you, No amount of "evidence" will suffice..

in any case asking for evidence is just a ploy.. when you got nothing

besides, no one needs to prove anything to you..

CCP needs to be convinced.

Let's see.. they established Crimewatch.. Concord Invincibility & reaction time changes..

Mark my words, they'll get around to fixing BUMPING despite your self serving whining..

- I'm thinking that it is a complicated mechanic technically.. and that's only why it hasn't been fixed to date..

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bigbud skunkafella
Utama Incorporated
Astral Alliance
#1084 - 2016-02-06 14:03:41 UTC
re the 'carebear' insinuations , and the false idea that i wish to see an end to hisec ganking or wish hisec to be 100% safe;

i personally would love it if the hi-sec economy could sustain ganking on the levels of a 'burn' event 23/7, 365 days per year , for the isk making opportunities that would exist and the content that this would provide for everyone involved. unfortunately it isn't the case .Sad

if anything i'm not even a 'neutra'l observer but more biased towards ensuring that a healthy ganking environment exists in hisec so my corp and i can log in and have fun doing what we do, ie hunt and rob hi sec gankers and killing their looters.

i know that this might be a difficult concept for you guys to get your heads round, but that's your problem, not mine.

this character is my main, i use it solely for pvp , my other 2 alts on this, my only account are 3 mil odd sp alts that i use for other forms of pvp,(one for solo nullsec shenanigans) no mining, ratting or missioning involved.

if any of you can honestly say the same then feel free to call me a 'carebear', otherwise please just stay on topic .
bigbud skunkafella
Utama Incorporated
Astral Alliance
#1085 - 2016-02-06 14:19:36 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Bella Jennie wrote:

We are saying that it SHOULD BE made illegal..


And that not only breaks game balance, is not necessary, but is also impossible.

You very literally cannot be more wrong.


nothing is impossible just because you say it is.

my proposal could be implemented in some form without too much extra load on the servers due to it only affecting hi-sec capitals in space involved in hi speed collisions while trying to enter warp outside a docking ring , probably only a few hundred ships at any one time. whether this and the resultant coding required to implement some variation on the current crimewatch flagging system is *impossible*to implement is only known to ccp.


Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1086 - 2016-02-06 14:37:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Bella Jennie wrote:
Eve is certainly modeled off of RL based SciFi.. not Fantasy; they didn't include magic spells..
SciFi is fiction, the technologies described in the genre don't exist in real life.

Science fiction occasionally becomes science fact, as happened to Arthur C Clarke* who wrote about communications satellites in 1945, until that happens science fiction is firmly in the realms of fantasy.

Instantaneous transfer of conciousness, warp drives etc, are covered by Clarke's third law* : "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic". An addendum to Clarke's third law, attributed to both Niven and Pratchett is that "Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology"

TL;DR CCP included stuff that is well into the realms of fantasy and magic, and that stuff would be seen as such by leading authors from the science fiction and fantasy genres.

Quote:
And don't use the "LIQUID SPACE" card.. not many people could easily control spacecraft in a simulation of real physics..
Liquid space is an appropriate phrase to use; in Eve, space acts like a liquid.

Quote:
silly....

We are saying that it SHOULD BE made illegal..

you don't realize that?
We're well aware that you're asking for it to be made illegal, we're asking you to provide justification that goes beyond your opinion as to why such a change should be made; so far you've failed spectacularly failed to do so, while making yourself look foolish.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1087 - 2016-02-06 14:37:47 UTC
Bella Jennie wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Someone has yet to post any evidence that change is needed.

I have
repeatedly

guy helps gank someone in HISEC and no one can touch him without being a criminal themselves..
- this is a problem


The only evidence posted so far was the RF records from last year that show over 99.9% of trips made were successful. If anything this shows highsec is too safe.

Again I ask you people, why is this change needed when it is already super easy to avoid bumping?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1088 - 2016-02-06 14:45:19 UTC
bigbud skunkafella wrote:

nothing is impossible just because you say it is.


No, it's impossible because the developers have said it is.

You want an example of what will happen if you mess with the base code of the physics system?

Hit "Ctrl+Alt+Delete", then go into the task manager. From there, find a process (not a program) labeled "Windows Explorer." Then, right click that process and say "end process tree."

That's an accurate approximation of what will happen to EVE if you mess with the base code.

Oh, and if your proposal would add ANY server load whatsoever to the physics checks, you break the base game with lag. ANY check you add to the physics, even if you don't break the code itself, has to be replicated for each and every item, ship, structure, terrain, and every other thing in the game, all at once, all day, every day.

You really should just learn to keep your bad ideas to yourself, carebear.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
bigbud skunkafella
Utama Incorporated
Astral Alliance
#1089 - 2016-02-06 15:05:14 UTC  |  Edited by: bigbud skunkafella
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
bigbud skunkafella wrote:

nothing is impossible just because you say it is.


No, it's impossible because the developers have said it is.

You want an example of what will happen if you mess with the base code of the physics system?

Hit "Ctrl+Alt+Delete", then go into the task manager. From there, find a process (not a program) labeled "Windows Explorer." Then, right click that process and say "end process tree."

That's an accurate approximation of what will happen to EVE if you mess with the base code.

Oh, and if your proposal would add ANY server load whatsoever to the physics checks, you break the base game with lag. ANY check you add to the physics, even if you don't break the code itself, has to be replicated for each and every item, ship, structure, terrain, and every other thing in the game, all at once, all day, every day.

You really should just learn to keep your bad ideas to yourself, carebear.


so ship speed , and collisions are not events currently logged by the server ?

name calling and insults are usually resorted to by people who have no decent argument to offer, or are losing the argument, or are just plain ill-mannered, which of these are you?

it's also regarded as flaming or trolling, which the isd has already warned about in this thread. you wouldn't be trying to get this thread closed down for some reason would you? Big smile
Bella Jennie
Doomheim
#1090 - 2016-02-06 15:07:23 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Bella Jennie wrote:

- so first: is it intentional or not?


*facepalm

The game engine cannot determine intent. Like, at all, it lacks the capacity.

are you a game programmer?

do you work for CCP?

if not, what makes you qualified to post that?

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Bella Jennie
Doomheim
#1091 - 2016-02-06 15:12:15 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Translation:

Hi CCP, I demand you change the game to suit my desires and screw every other player who disagrees with me.

BINGO!

- just change the words "other player" to "dickhead"
OK?

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Bella Jennie
Doomheim
#1092 - 2016-02-06 15:14:26 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Bella Jennie wrote:

Guess CCP screwed up then


Yes, by making the game safer.


Big smile you can't make this kind of stuff up!
you're a natural comic!

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Bella Jennie
Doomheim
#1093 - 2016-02-06 15:22:56 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
bigbud skunkafella wrote:
so why continue posting?


Because you keep posting your gamebreakingly bad ideas.

Why do you think you're entitled to an echo chamber?

errr, because he's not an obstinate, thread derailing, duffus?

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bigbud skunkafella
Utama Incorporated
Astral Alliance
#1094 - 2016-02-06 15:24:17 UTC
for the sake of argument, if my proposal of having a 'fleet engagement ' type flag/timer activated by bumped ship is 'too complicated due to crimewatch system, then the solution would be to , using the parameters described in earlier posts, to just make the bumper suspect after 15 minutes of preventing the target from aligning and/or completing its warp cycle .

simple and effective rebalance
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1095 - 2016-02-06 15:24:29 UTC
bigbud skunkafella wrote:
name calling and insults are usually resorted to by people who have no decent argument to offer, or are losing the argument, or are just plain ill-mannered, which of these are you?

it's also regarded as flaming or trolling, which the isd has already warned about in this thread. you wouldn't be trying to get this thread closed down for some reason would you? Big smile
Could you please inform your fellow campaigners of this; I, for one, am getting sick of being called a douchebag and a dickhead because my opinions differ from theirs.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Bella Jennie
Doomheim
#1096 - 2016-02-06 15:24:47 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Bella Jennie wrote:

We are saying that it SHOULD BE made illegal..


And that not only breaks game balance, is not necessary, but is also impossible.

You very literally cannot be more wrong.

you forgot to say the "nah nah nah nah nah nah!" part Lol

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Bella Jennie
Doomheim
#1097 - 2016-02-06 15:28:20 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
bigbud skunkafella wrote:
name calling and insults are usually resorted to by people who have no decent argument to offer, or are losing the argument, or are just plain ill-mannered, which of these are you?

it's also regarded as flaming or trolling, which the isd has already warned about in this thread. you wouldn't be trying to get this thread closed down for some reason would you? Big smile
Could you please inform your fellow campaigners of this; I, for one, am getting sick of being called a douchebag and a dickhead because my opinions differ from theirs.

I see - but you feel yourself free to discuss my balls.. P

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1098 - 2016-02-06 15:39:43 UTC
bigbud skunkafella wrote:

simple and effective rebalance


You have yet to show there is any need for a rebalance in the first place. As already asked multiple times, why do you think you require more safety than 99.9%?
Bella Jennie
Doomheim
#1099 - 2016-02-06 15:41:27 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Again with the name calling Roll

Bella, serious question, why are you playing a game such as this? You clearly detest the foundations that it was built upon and the opportunities it offers.

Eve fills a niche in the MMO market, it doesn't need to conform to what other games define as acceptable behaviour because if it did, it would no longer fill that niche and be redundant. Filling a very specific niche is what has enabled Eve to survive as long as it has, while outlasting hundreds of games that did conform to the norm.

I'd say that CCP have been doing it right for longer than the lifespan of most MMO's.

I've been wondering the same thing.

Bella, there are many other MMOs out there, some even space themed, that will allow you to have all the security you want while farming their currency. Why don't you go play one of them rather than keep trying to ruin the one game on the market that caters to people who want all that EvE has to offer?

I'm not trying to troll with this question, I am seriously wondering why you play a game that seems to go against everything you think a game should be.

I like the game.. I like the sandbox.. I like the backstory.. I like the "edge".. I like the variety of options in the things to do and the manner of play..

However unbridled freedom, I should say UNBALANCED unbridled freedom facilitates people playing like douchebags - picking on the weak...

So I just want clean, logical BALANCE..

I think this really defines the problem this thread is discussing:
bigbud skunkafella wrote:

ok, as an experiment, why don't you try going out and finding an overweight old person returning from the grocery store and repeatedly run into them at high speed to prevent them returning home, and see if the police turn up and listen to your argument that they had no right to arrest you because you haven't killed and robbed them, and were only holding them till your gang of criminal associates could arrive to do the actual robbery and murder.

then , when you have been released from custody, let me know how eve bumping mechanics as they stand are totally realistic and sensible from a logical point of view . Smile


that and my signature says it all..

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Bella Jennie
Doomheim
#1100 - 2016-02-06 15:44:25 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
bigbud skunkafella wrote:

simple and effective rebalance


You have yet to show there is any need for a rebalance in the first place. As already asked multiple times, why do you think you require more safety than 99.9%?

I think you should just keep repeating this question over and over.. until it dawns on you that it's meaningless..

oh wait.. that may be never..

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