Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i never said i wanted a mjd to be immune to scram, but you can read so i guess you knew that.

any mechanics change needs to be balanced in order to void unintended consequences , the unrestricted ability to use an aggressive module on freighters anywhere in hisec without concord intervention has the potential for massive abuse / disruption of freighter traffic .
hence my questions to pedro in order to clarify what he was suggesting.

my suggestion of only allowing the use of the proposed mechanic in 0.5 systems was an attempt to mitigate these potential abuses .

bumping would still be a thing too, but the unlimited bumping we see now would be prone to consequences after a short time. meaning any gankers would have to be prepared to gank their target in a shorter time period, or have multiple bumpers on standby to hold the target in place till ready to kill if its going to take more than say 10-15 mins,

this would encourage freighter pilots to have a decent escort, and gankers to target weakly or unescorted freighters. tho if an ag fleet was close by then the situation could change in a flash ...

the flag for freighters to enable fleet members to attack the bumper would create lots of content too, and encourage more pvp , while also enabling the bumper(s) to engage the freighter when it is activated. hisec could become pvp central with these changes, with potentially huge fleets duking it out in the hotspots.

dunno bout u but that sounds awesome to me

What, the weapons timers is a thing. You get them for any offensive module used against another player.



So, burn back towards gate, jump, warp and then dock. No more troll tackle. Problem solved.

well it would be pretty essential to at least have some escort capable of clearing tackle if pedros suggestion was adopted.but unless the mechanic is limited to say 0.5 systems then imo the effects could be catastrophic for the resons i outlined earlier .

yes it would be a new 'limited engagement ' thingy, but pretty easy to implement, understand.

edit;please leave out the insults, it adds nothing to the discussion .

To address this specific bit separately, since the earlier suggestion is that tacklers could setup on opposite sides of a gate and then tackle and that would be magnified 2-300 times and be a problem.

Then say I wanted to become a bumper under the new mechanics (I don't, just a hypothetical), then I could easily jump into a Mach no problems.

However, I could also put my freighter pilot alt into a Freighter and sit her on a gate.

When a target freighter comes into system and takes it's 45-50 seconds to align (or is auto piloting its 15km in from it's warpin), I could line my Mach up and bump my freighter alt into the target. Freighter on Freighter bump.

My alt would get a limited engagement timer to me under this proposal, no problem. But now what happens between 2 seemingly totally innocent freighters that collide?

There's no MWD involved from my freighter, so all the game detects is a collision between 2 Freighters and it has already worked out that my freighter is a victim and granted her a limited engagement against my Mach.

Earlier in the thread it was claimed that up to 6 Machs bump 1 freighter, so I could easily work with at least 1 other person so we can control what happens to my freighter alt and continue to bump her into the target.

How does it work out who gets to call in their fleet to assist and who doesn't? They are exactly the same thing, one victim already bumped by a Mach and the other just another freighter.

Like, if we are going to go to extremes of hypothetical rather than accepting at some point a Freighter pilot should actually prepare themself, then bumping a freighter into another freighter to avoid limited engagement timers seems quite possible. Maybe not everytime, but with practice it would be very possible.


But why implement it at all. At what point does the Freighter pilot have responsibility to take some precautions too?

Where is the line drawn that accepts that flying a billion ISK, slow ship in highsec has some inherent risk and the pilot should be ready for that?

Why should a Freighter pilot be given out after out after out, when no one else in the game gets them?

Also, no we don't know it is easy. We know that some aspects of the fleet code are difficult for CCP to currently change (there have been many calls for improvements and responses from CCP that it isn't that easy but I don't remember what), so it's isn't obvious at all that it would currently be easy to set a flag for the whole fleet (I'll see if I can hunt a reference down to confirm what I am saying, since my word alone isn't evidence..).


Don't call me a troll and we'll be fine, so maybe a bit of the same treatment as the way you want to treated is in order.

I'm entitled to my opinion on things though and for the first time in 3 years here on the forum, it really feels like what I wrote above.

Do you have any videos or anything to make this, observable ? Because it's a miss for me everytime.....I'm not approaching, I'm aiming ahead of it's intended direction..... And at times the angle of adjustment needed to catch the bumper, causes me to bump the freighter in the process, A simple fit you can share? Or tactic that is missing in my approach?

I am not advocating for any of this for the record. Bumping in my eyes works perfectly fine in that it is almost 100% avoidable with a small amount of effort, and can lead to an escalation of fights - if it has any problems it is just that the mechanic is unintuitive to those that don't understand the game. But if you want to throw around ideas:

Idea two: Capital Interdictor deployable. A moderately expensive deployable that takes a minute to online (to allow scouts to see one is on a gate ahead). It can be scooped at this point, but if activated it is consumed. It can be activated on any capital ship having the effect of an infinite point near instantly and a timer starts (say 20 minutes). During this time the deployable is vulnerable and if it is destroyed, the tackled capital receives a short buff that boosts its agility and immunity to point so it can instawarp. Anyone who attacks the deployable goes suspect of course.

This allows aggressors to tackle a capital ship and the escorts a legal way to get out of it. It also could be used by the escorts to escape from a bumper by deploying it and then destroying it so there probably should be a short period of invulnerability (5 minutes? Although that could be the original deployment timer) so that aggressors can get some ships on the field to defend the deployable in that case.

A variant of this which could enable the other capitals in highsec is to have the deployable turn the capital ship suspect at the end of the 20 minutes. It would serve sort of an entosis mechanism forcing a fight where the capital ship's side is trying to destroy the deployable to free the ship, while the aggressors are trying to defend it so that CONCORD goes away and a real fight against the carrier or whatever can happen.

All of this, and the escalation idea it is centered around are hampered by the way flags work in highsec though. If you make a bumper or looter suspect now, the other side would just shoot it from behind the protection of CONCORD with no risk or escalation of the fight possible. Ideally you would want some system where if you join the game of cops and robbers you are now vulnerable to everyone on the other side rather than each side just sniping the other behind the safety of the NPCs.

Something drastic will have to change if CCP follows through with allowing capitals back into highsec though. My guess is any change to bumping is going to have to wait until then.

To get on the block list, you simply have to ask awkward questions. The ones none of them want to confront, as it breaks their argument.

Rham. Well she does have issues with evidence, although now 'wild guesses' may prevail. But she has provided some entertainment, so it's not all bad. Well it is, but it was funny bad. If you know what I mean. I'll get my coat.

I've tried this with a couter-bumping mach, while it would initially bump the bumper, the bumping mach's recovery time is very quick and he'd just get a slightly delayed bump regardless. I'd guess that using cruiser would be even less effective, but will give it a try just for argument sake.

The ship stats are not, however.

The ship stats are irrelevant, they are not under discussion here, the art of bumping is.