Player Features and Ideas Discussion

if you think that there is no connection between ag popping hundreds of billions isk of warr and cos ill gotten gains and warr akini pushing for, of all things that could do with a look at in eve , hp increase for wrecks , or believe he did this out of a selfless desire to make the game better for everyone, then i really don't know w[hat to say tbh ....

Besides, you're talking about a change that has limited scope inside highsec, but a much, much broader impact in other areas. Trying to pawn this off as CCP catering to Goonswarm is disingenuous.


if you want to call guaranteed freighter wreck looting by miniluv /code of limited scope inside highsec then u just go ahead.

I agree with Iain.

In fact, I once thought like you. I drank deep of the kool-aid that Goons want to ruin the game. Then when our alliance CEO mentioned he was voting for the Mittani for CSM I was like, "Hmmm...let me go read what the Mittani is advocating...." I was quite pleasantly surprised. So I voted for him too.

Later we allied with Goons (and TEST at the time) and found out that, yes, Goons are devoted to the game. Yes many revel in being the villains and play it to the hilt, but still they really do like the game.

When you truly enjoy being the villain, why would you want to ruin pretty much the only game that really allows you to do so?

bumping is a cheap risk free way of holding someone in place, and just because ccp is ok with it doesn't make is any less cheap or any less of a mechanic that needs to be fixed.

bumpers grab at straws to justify their exploiting of this weak mechanic, and cry about anything that would change that.

Now don't get me wrong, if you wanna gank feighters in high sec more power to ya, but you should have to use a legit tackle and get the concord hammer like anyone else

I wouldn't bother.

I think the discussion has become posting on as many alts as possible to make it seem like more people think it's a problem.

In the absence of evidence, what else is there to do?

“We don’t want to ruin the game, we want to ruin your game.” ring any bells?

anyway, we're geting off topic .

if we look at bumping in hisec in it's current form logically the ability of a person to obstruct another person by deliberately ramming their ship to prevent them entering warp for a potentially unlimited amount of time with the intent of holding them there until they can be murdered and robbed by a bunch of cutthroat pirates while the relevant authorities take no action makes no sense whatsoever .

a vast majority of genuinely neutral observers would look at this and agree it's akin to the example an opponent of any change to this mechanic made , ie a hijacked truck being rammed off the road by another truck for an hour or more before actually being hijacked and robbed while the authorities did nothing till the actual hijack /robbery took place.

most, if not all opponents in this thread have a direct stake in maintaining the status quo, and have contributed little to the discussion apart from hot air and trolling in an apparent attempt to close the thread.

i have made several suggestions , mostly in an attempt to find a balance that involves more player driven content ie fun , rather than suspect/criminal timers as some have suggested.

if any opponents have anything more substantial to say , hell , even a suggestion themselves for the sake of discussion, please let's hear it .

so nothing to say on the topic, thank you , next ?

Ok. Radical idea incoming to remove bumping:

Freighters (eventually maybe all capitals) do not generate a criminal flag in highsec if pointed/scrambled, while other aggressive modules still do. However, if you apply a point to a capital, you immediately go suspect. Freighters are then given a super MJD they can fit that warps them 500 km with a reasonably long (3-5 minutes?) spool-up time.

Pros: freighter escorts can clear off the tackler with guns and no CONCORD response
Cons: freighters are subject to harassment by non-committed attackers or tanky tacklers

Discuss.

thank you, tho i have never advocated removing bumping , just some sort of rebalance to make it less op.

those ideas certainly have merit , it would make some sort of freighter escort essential and create lots of content .

i believe a 100 km limited use mjd would be sufficient tho, a scram /point wouldnt prevent alignment, perhaps this change in conjunction with my suggestion for a limited engagement type option between a freighter+ fleet and bumper would work well. the freighter can be held by a tackler , but a bumper would be vulnerable after a short time if/when the freighter gets his fleet together. a strong escort would be a strong deterrent .