Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So the killrights and your sec status are of really great concern to you but they are completely without consequence for other players like the gankers?

MWDing mach = 13 seconds align time, 8.03 seconds align time with nothing but nanofibers in the lows.

MWDing stabber = 7.67 seconds align time, 4.58 seconds align time with nothing but naofibers in the lows.

If the owner of the killright is stupid or lazy enough to make it publicly available for pennies, sure.


Do tell me more about counter bumping's effectiveness.
Ganking as the best choice for getting out of bumping situation is broken, stupid, call it what you will.

The suspect timer is based on trying to move goods. For a practical example, fill a megathron's cargo w/ stuff. Undock and try to move loot from a can/wreck of your choice into cargo. It will fail due to no room in the destination container. You'll still be suspect.

So the person moving the stuff takes the heat. It's an old mechanic that predates fleet hangers. It should probably be updated to account for the addition of fleet hangers to all sorts of ships.

As others have pointed out, this movement to fleet hangers is innovative. Someone applied brains to game mechanics and found the 'best way' to complete the task. It's admirable. And let's be honest about this specific process - anyone can have a 300 SP alt dish that loot into any fleet hanger. It's not like only a select few folks are allowed to do it. You wanna go all white knight - here's your tactic. Ibis that loot into a DST before the ebil gankers do and then contract it to the original owner for free. THEN taunt the gankers in local by showing the contract and rubbing your success in their noses. It will hurt them. They can say and pretend that it doesn't, but you will be getting them where they live. Perhaps you could even thank them in local for providing you with the opportunity to help others. See where I'm going with this?

Work on updating the mechanic if you don't think it's where it should be, but don't play the unfair (or worse immoral) card on this. It's fair, because anyone can recover the assets and do with them what they please. Sure, you can't legally shoot the hauler once it has the goods, but you have an equal opportunity to transfer them at the onset.

Trust me on this - the loot matters, and it matters even more if you claim it and give it back to the owners. You just have to take some actions to make it matter the way you want it to.

of course killrights are inconsequential for a -10 ganking alt , as evidenced by the frequent bragging in local, minerbumping etc by such as yourselves , who only have to undock, insta warp to safe then warp to target , lock , hit f1.

just to clarify for those who don't 'get it' about krs - a 'white knight ' who uses his main to gank a mach has to take into account that any ship he flies for the next month is at the mercy of the very people he is trying to fight . so the kr is set at say 100 mil , that stops the 'white knight' from getting a friend to clear it, but the moment he shows up in a decent ship, the bumper/gankers will activate the kr at no cost .

re looting- looting directly into a fleet hangar of a dst or other ship should cause a suspect timer on the receiving ship. if you want to loot with a dst or similar then you should have to transfer into a can then scoop it as per all ninja looting, which is counterable with mtus and others being able to loot the receiving can . dsts have + 2 warp stab strength , with all wc stabs fitted you get up to + 6 or 7 warp strength, how much more safety do u want ffs?

another idea to bring some balance to unlimited bumping with no consequences, how about when a freighter is hit repeatedly by a ship or ships , above a certain speed and preventing it entering warp over a period of 2- 3 mins say , a timer is set warning the bumper(s) he/they have 20 mins before he goes suspect for illegally obstructing a pilot from going about his business? alternatively, after a set amopunt of hi speed hits over a period of time, the freighter pilot gets a right to clear his way of the criminals impeding his progress in the form of a limited engagement type timer , where, upon activation , anyone in his fleet can legally engage the bumper , the downside being that upon activation, he can also be engaged by the bumper(s) .just think of the fun to be had...

You would be a douchbag with mental issues. Didn't you know?

GL bumping the mach fit I listed above with any kind of reliability.
As for agility, yes there is - fit an oversize mwd to cruiser (fit for bumping the freighter).

Bella, perhaps you should have read up on the game before investing in it.

They will never make bumping a crime, but they are certainly looking into bumping (in general).

IF by some chance the do NOT make it a crime, I'll be very happy if they simply nerf the BUMPING mechanic altogether.
- maybe that's easier for them..

They must address this; it is so obviously UNBALANCED..