Player Features and Ideas Discussion

with concord on site and limited time to shoot the wreck, i'd like to see u pop one successfully . perhaps you'd be prepared to give me a demonstration one day.

i'm not what you call typical ag. i and my corp have made 10s if not 100s of billions of isk from hunting and stealing from gankers over the years. the more hisec ganking that goes on, the more contect/isk /fun i get .

i personally would hate to see ganking getting nerfed to oblivion , but imo bumping mechanics in their current form are in need of adjustment, whether it's by giving a freighter limited use mjd or some other way.

i've been away from eve for several months, before that i was in fw for several months so haven't had the opportunity to gank machs unfortunately, tho others in hsm have been doing a reasonable job on occasion.

By the way, it's not much of an assumption to say that anti ganking just sits by and wrings their hands instead of doing anything.

That's a safe enough bet that they wouldn't take it in Vegas, because they don't like certain losses.

Thanks. I didn't know you can add the sec status.

Tuitian Bogel in Uedama at 22:28 hrs, yep I clearly missed that one.

It's the scissors technique, it's infallible.

-If there is a blackbird AND a mach sitting ominously at a gate, your scout should be able to identify it and notify the freighter. The more tools you use, the better your chance of survival.

-Pulling at all straws with the DC comment as if it only happens to the AG crowd. Be sensible.

-Two nados will pop a wreck or something like 5-8 thrashers. Thats not much compared to what gankers have to put together to carry out the gank itself.

5-8 is a large fleet? No wonder AG sucks as bad as it does. If you field less than half your opponent's numbers, why should you expect to prevail?

So nados sitting in wait are obvious, but the bumping mach isnt?

I also wouldn't mind the transfer to fleet hangar be a suspect offense or not possible for criminals to do. But id like to see a nerf to hauling first.

Let's use this logic in the case of bumping, pretty please. Unless you field at least three machariels you should not be able to reliably bump a freighter with a webber alt or two. We cool?

Well at least we can see that bumping machs are not really paper thin as some of you guys claimed. Having to throw 3-4 taloses on a mach ain't really trivial.

As for the efforts let's do the math - bumping mach:
- no consequences for bumping whatsoever
- potential for decent income through loot (calculated risk as well)

Anti-ganker ganking the bumper:
- sec status hit
- killright to bumper
- loss of ship / no insurance
- loss of ability to make isk in hisec on the ganker character
- fairly low probability of making any isk (IF bumper has faction mwd fit and if it drops)
- multiply by the number of ships required to perform a gank

So, while a few people in AG don't care about sec hits and killrights, your average hisec dweller will not use his main (usually the char capable of flying a properly fit talos) to gank a bumper. Naturally, your reaction will be for him to grow balls and what not, but I just think that claiming that ganking the bumper to be a valid response to bumping is stupid argument v0v.