Player Features and Ideas Discussion

For the simple reason that has already been outlined.

The bumping Machariel would also fit an MJD and just jump straight to the freighter, which is now on the long cooldown you proposed and can't use the MJD again.

So even if the gank pilots get caught by antigankers and need to go refit, the outcome is exactly the same, the freighter will die and the MJD is pointless.

If anything, it would give inexperienced freighter pilots a belief they can escape and make them even less likely to use the already available tools that actually work, but that's just a bit of speculation. It certainly wouldn't make them more likely to use what is already known to work.

also, from my observations from assisting hundreds of freighters , webbing only works if the freighter has no lateral movement, meaning it can be aligned correctly to a warp in/out, but all the bumper has to do to prevent warp is side swipe the freighter. so to say bring a webber and all will be well once the freighter is being bumped isnt quite true ....

Guide: Providence and Ark
A freighers is bumpable. Which means that if anyone wants to kill it, it dies. The gankers can keep it on grid indefinitely and can attempt to kill it as many times as they please. There is nothing you can do about it.

http://greedygoblin.blogspot.hu/2015/11/guide-providence-and-ark.html

i have limited time in rl to be a forum warrior, let alone play eve. i suggest if you have any queries as to why the above is true then you contact gevlon goblin, who i am sure will have all the data you require...

re the guy who asked to supply proof that being bumped for x amount of hours, while helpless in a giant space pinball costs subscribers, let's just call it an educated guess. i can't see the day that ccp will release a promo video extolling the virtues of the above to attract new players....

whether or not there is a need to do something about bumping is for ccp to decide, they have all the evidence required to make a decision, including petitions, complaints, subscriber figures etc. i think it's telling that on numerous occasions even bumpers have admitted that bumping mechanics are way op....

You'd have been quicker and easier scramming and webbing the bumping machariel with T1 frigates.

Don't be such a tool. I'm not arguing for or against any changes. I'm just stating the facts of the matter. I also stated that webbing w/ a rapier/huginn before bumping is a good idea. Daredevil is also an OK idea, but I'd go w/ a recon over the daredevil because of the time to run to the cap to get in web range AND the possibility of bumping the cap w/ the daredevil. Recons have neither of these mentioned possible down sides. Recons are probably better at webbing before that first bump lands.

My point is that even w/ experienced webbers, once that first bump lands - webbing no longer matters.

My second point is that bumping the mach is the way to go.

If you review my corps kb you can see we've spent the last 5 days in Apanake ganking mission boats, well teaching folks what are and what are not good targets. I'm not a part of the anti ganking crowd.

I do dislike stupid arguments. Many pro bumping arguments are stupid (not yours in this post, so don't get your panties all bunched up and think I'm getting personal on you) (well I did call you a tool, but not based on your arguments, just your attitude )

I also think the current bumping mechanics are kind of dumb and it's just too easy to hold a guy w/out the aggression timer that would allow so many wonderful explosive counters. I also think that 'suiciding the mach' isn't a valid counter for a bad mechanic. I do think the best option to avoid getting cargo ganked is using a JF to avoid Niarja and the other obvious gates. I also think that preventing a capital from getting ganked is really really easy in the avoidance phase of the operation.

PRO HINT: Most ganks occur in a very small number of systems - don't go into these few systems unprepared. Niarja for example, come into it from a side gate and don't rule out getting ganked 1j out.

TL/DR Ganking is fine and working as intended. I personally think the bumping mechanics are stupid.

My post was directed at bigbud. Id didnt see yours serendipity before i hit post.

I wouldnt mind bumping becoming an aggressive act, but there is no way for the server to know when its accidental or malicious. And id like to see some nerfs to hauling before i see more nerfs to ganking.

The only problems with ganking/bumping are that the victims are, for the most part, too greedy in terms of how much they carry and too lazy to take active steps to protect their load; in some cases they're so damn lazy they aren't even at the keyboard.

Webs work, I use them for my Orca all the time, I've seen miners spiderweb each other in order to be aligned and able to warp in an instant, I've seen webbed freighters successfully evade bumpers and their cohorts; unfortunately, for some, they require effort and somebody who is paying attention to be effective.

I haul through Uedama regularly, I have a (r)isk limit and do so in a well tanked industrial that aligns like a cruiser. You don't have to fight gankers, you just have to make sure that somebody else is a far more succulent meal.

Webs only work before the first bump occurs.

Agreed, once you're bumped you're pretty much screwed unless you're able to pull off some of the more esoteric tricks, or have friends to confound the dastardly bounders doing the bumping.

The trick is to not put yourself in a situation where the webs are ineffective, do it right and you can be in warp quicker than a would-be bumper can react and land a hit.

We saved our orca after it was being bumped last night. It took 5 guys. If you don't have 5 guys to pull you out of the well, don't fall in it.

If it takes you more than 43 minutes to get your corp to come to your defense - get better corpies.

Dear anti-gankers

Maybe you should learn to play with the current rules of the game before you ask for more changes that will backfire in your face anyway.