Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It's usually a lot easier just to get a few friends together and break up the gate camp. Most gate campers are not in the habit of taking anything resembling a fair fight.

Knowing the area (experience) has a lot to do w/ it.

HS - there are a couple of 0.5 sec bottlenecks where things explode via suicide ganking. Auto piloting a freighter through there is spectacular.

LS - Orca boosting a mining op where the tuskers hang out is also spectacular. Some faction WF areas you'll see a dozen frigates on every other gate - they won't give you a second look if you're not playing FW. There are classics like Rancer (which isn't what it used to be) and Tama (closest LS to Jita) - good places to get wonked. Cutting through LS from Amarr to Rens is often tricky.

Null - NPC null - fun mutual explosions happen here. SOV null - depends on the area. Drone regions (farmville) - I'd autopilot most anything through there. CFC space - other than 4 systems it's all pretty much meh.

Your friend in this - The map. Pull that last tab out and sort through jumps / kills / poddings and so on. It won't tell you what's on the other side of the next gate, but it can paint a picture of the current days activities on your route. Prudent use of the map and all its info can remove a lot of the dice roll aspect of getting around.

Your other friend in this - Experience and knowing some locals (pvp generates friends if you decide not to rage when you lose). More than once I've been fleeted by local ebil piwates to throw in on something fun just because they are nice guys (and they really are).

It's a big game and it takes time to get the hang of it.

Nah, There are a number of ways to run camps if you know what you are doing.

I have often run them in shuttles or just my pod. They align and warp quick. Sometimes a skill book is just that much cheaper or that much closer in a low sec system. I have never been killed in a camp with just my pod---though I have been podded in them if I showed up in a bigger ship.

Anything that fits a cov-ops cloak and a microwarp drive can scoot through them if you practice. Start moving, pulse the MWD, and activate the cloak. You will have a second where you are out of gate cloak before your own cloak kicks in, the acceleration boost gets you moving and when the cycle ends your top speed drops suddenly so you warp very quickly. You can be caught, but they have to be really on their game to do it--- which is how things should be, a contest.

If I have to move stuff like battleships through, I use a scout and just make sure the way is clear. Also, Lots of shields, and fill the lows with Warp Core Stabilizers. Train up to use ECM drones. It's one hell of a gate camp that's hitting you with 6+ points, so a full rack of WCS will probably get the job done, unless they are using a heavy interdictor with an infinite point. Release the ECM drones on that guy and pray for success. But seriously, get a scout if you need to get through low sec in anything like a hurry.

There is a warp to 300 option. Or any distance between 0 and 100km. Theer are also default warp to distances you can choose from. If you want an arbitrary distance, you just right click on the warp to icon in the selected item box and type in the distance in meter, not kilometers.

If you want a longer distance, you will need to make a bookmark by manually flying around on grid. In case you don't know yet, the minimum distance from which you can warp to an object is 150km. So make sure your bookmark is at least that far away from the gate. I would recommend at least 200km so you have room to move around.

Also make sure your bookmark is not in line with an easy to use celestial, as smart pilots will warp to that celestial and then to the gate at 100, landing them close to you.

Well, now it sort of sounds like you just need to work on your time management skills. There might be dozens of reasons to go somewhere, but there usually aren't that many reasons to go that far in a battleship on a regular basis. Especially solo.




What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? I've got about 3 minutes worth of tolerance in me for sitting on a gate, myself, but that doesn't mean anyone else should be prevented from doing so.

If they want to spend their time that way, that's their prerogative. The way they're spending their time happens to conflict with the way you want to spend your time, but that's entirely your problem to solve.

The freedom to do things for "***** and giggles" is a pretty integral part of the Eve culture. It's not about to change every time some guy who has been here for a minute mistakes his personal experience for objective fact and declares that it would be better for the game if other people had less freedom.

And?

You make it sound like there should be some way to achieve 100% certainty. Welcome to EVE. Much the same way you can never get 100% resistances on any ship, you will never get 100% certainty of saftey or success in anything.
And if you do get that certainty... well.... "bad things" happen (fun fact: getting over 100% damage resistances means you will take infinite damage).

Also... Interceptors that are fit to pass the most professional "traditional" gatecamps have a glaring weakness; smartbomb gatecamps.

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OP, I don't get the point of this discussion. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but all I read is "I'm bad at dealing with gatecamps, so CCP please change the game in my favor". Everyone else with a bit expierience has no problems with gatecamps, and still fun, both camping or avoiding/crashing camps. Gatecamps are balanced and part of New Eden, deal with it. The time you spent arguing here would have found a better investment in working out a suitable counter strategy - also called: playing the game.

In this game, I would. Up to a point.

It's not like GTA where the point of the game is to be a villain.

It's a simulated world where you are free to choose any goal you want, and any path to achieving it.

Upon being told they could be anything they want, they choose to be a villain. Not even a grand one, but a pathetic bully picking on weaker people because it's easy and 'fun'.

It's not even a case of trying several things because you maxxed out the other options...Nope, they did it because being a bad person is 'fun'.

You like to camp gates because its a choke point, EVE is fun with unbeatable odds, you are the villian, you know how to get past them. What if we did a tally. We want to be able to go into nullsec without -chance- to PVP. What if the choke points have more kills in the game than every PVP encounter and red corporation slaughter? I watch the map and 99% of the time theres a few dead ships at every choke point all day everyday. You can't say the same about the swirl of stars behind the chokepoint. Is the sink not clogged?