Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Much as I regularly disagree with Kaarous, and in fact disagree with him over his views on wars, he is not taking a 180 turn.
He is saying that repeatedly rolling a new player corp to dec dodge is bad. (To me it's forced on people by bad game design and should be solved by fixing said bad game design).
He is then saying that if you don't like having a war declared on you while you are in a player corp, you should drop to your NPC corp and stay there.

These are not contradictory statements or double standards.

Also while I no longer have the link due to new computer, CCP at one stage said moving 5+ systems and changing corps was potentially considered reasonable effort to evade an aggressor in high sec. As at that point you aren't in their immediate operational vicinity or the original corp that was their target. I'd note that I'd read that as changing from corp A to corp B. Not closing corp A and opening identical corp B. Exact circumstances obviously vary, and if you smack talk them or taunt them about having run away, you are going to be considered fair game as a result.

Finally, there is no SP wall for PvP. Even as a 'non' PvPer I say this ('non' meaning I do PvP occasionally but I much prefer the co-op experience, so will never chose to solo PvP, preferring fleets in some kind of support role). What you have to do is fly appropriate to your skills and wallet. And engage appropriate targets to match.
CCP have done amazing things with making T1 frigates viable, and are working hard at continuing that, by doing things like making Capitals no longer Ewar immune any more. It's virtually no time to train into a T1 cruiser even, and those are even more amazing (Yay cruisers online!).
For example, the main doctrine one of the groups investigating fighting drifters is using is entirely based on T1 cruisers, and currently does not have specific skill requirements for their fleets either.

Something I don't recommend by the way, unless you have spare brain cells to replace the ones that will die of shock.

It's like talking to the wall mate, SP > all.

Apparently.

I mean, I've literally never seen such crap in my life and it's even more blindingly obvious that even posters who butt heads and fight constantly are all in alignment here that it's a non-problem. That's a sign right there.

So if I fit up a svipul right now and went to FW space, are you saying that as I have over 100mil SP, I would kill everybody that I came into contact with?


Because usually I die to the first real opposition I meet and kill maybe a farmer or two on the way, if I'm lucky...

Surprise, surprise: Bittervets who want to farm newbies are in alignment.
It is a sign indeed, of bittervetting over the fact that every leet peeveepeer sees you're above the SP wall and avoids you, because he doesn't want to lose on account of lack of SP.

Your goalpsts are moving.

How is my alliance in any way relevant? If I had gone into lowsec a year ago (before I joineed CONDI), would I have killed everyone I came into contact with?

Hell. I'm on 124mil SP at the moment. If I go wandering around in a frigate, how much of that SP is actually useful? (Hint: The answer is 'not much'.)

"I couldn't put sense into a fool's brain if I tried." (c) Nero Wolfe.

If only you were equipped to appreciate it, but mother nature took a rest on your fateful day.

I don't know about anyone else but I don't want to farm newbros. I want people in my fleets running tackle, running ewar, running T1 logi. Getting excited at making a difference. Enjoying the thrill of landing the scram on the fleeing machariel/cynabal/ONI desperately trying to climb to freedom. The excitement in their voices is genuinely priceless and irreplaceable. As you grow longer in the tooth, that fades and it's a shame.

No-one here is bitter, except maybe you and all because of some psychological "wall" you let cripple you.

I bet you can fly a T1/pirate frigate at 100% perfect skills for change out of 10 million SPs. At that point, the difference between you and a 200m SP player is exactly 0.00000%.

People want fun, however the more people spout garbage (need absurd SP to even play, lowsec is insta death etc etc etc) the harder that gets to come by because it's repeated over and over. Rookie help is the freakin' worst.

People put far too much stock in not losing some T1 frigate over having fun and learning. I've said before on these boards and I'll say it again, the BEST fights I've ever been in were ones where we KNEW we would die, we just wanted to go down swinging and take people with us. Utterly glorious.

People seem to take "don't fly what you cant replace" and mentally convert that to "don't fly if you might lose the ship, no matter how cheap". It is a real shame.

The eve pvp is fundamentally unexciting. Some assets get on grid. Some numbers are tossed. Some assets disappear. Yawn.
It is literally only done for tears. Tears is what excite you and likes of you, you only have trouble admitting it, trying to rationalize it as something else.


Yeah, sure, all this newbie farmer wannabe fest is just here for social gathering, uhm, no?


He's in svipul. You died.


Unless they can have fun being free kills for bittervets, it has to wait until 50 million SP.


Being free kill is not fun. It is indeed learning to know your place behind the SP wall, that is undeniable.
There is a thing called Norepinephrine addiction. It's a hormone which makes you feel good when overcoming the odds against you. It has a widespread usage in gaming to tickle norepinephrine addicts into believing the odds were against them to let them have their kicks, while the odds was never against them.
If you expected to lose and won, you failed the appraisal of the enemy and it's utterly ********, unless you're a norepinephrine addict and that failure was exactly what your pleasure-seeking behavior led you to. Brainhex study revealed that no more than half of gamers are norepinephrine addicts, so maybe it helps to know that at least half of us do not share your definition of fun/pleasure.