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See what they do with the Rorq. If it keeps compression but no longer needs the industrial core to use it, there you go.

Highsec has these things called stations, often several in each system for you to be Nomadic in. I hear they even almost all have 50% refining in them. Oh, not to mention all those freeport Citadels springing up around the place.

You are complaining that you can't be nomadic inside a highly developed city here, get over it.

With many people being up in arms over the upcoming changes to command links and the leadership skills I am wondering if an equally important matter is being overlooked. I have, so far, been unable to locate any official information about either the Engineering Complex nor the Mining Platform. Other than the names and that the former is coming out in November and latter in Winter I can't find any hard information on them.

Perhaps I am simply not looking in the right places. If so I hope someone can point me in the right direction.

However, if the case is that information is available, I ask that CCP release what they can so that the potentially game changing mechanics that these structures might represent don't blindside the players.

And who knows some of us might catch something that was missed or provide insight on a mechanic you're having trouble implementing.

Is this no longer accurate? >

http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/67008/1/Structure_ISIS5-01.png

that link is so old...

the assembly structures will be the same as a citadel just with different role bonuses and iirc no asset safety

basically citadel are vaults industry platforms are manufacturing plants

That would be very unfortunate. BPO with weeks of ME or TE research may be very , very valuable...

One question re: Engineering Complexes - Will the Rorqual be made as an exception to the "Capital ships can only dock in XL Complexes" rule?

As it stands right now, if I live in a C3 or C4 Wormhole that rarely or never gets a reasonably safe, capital sized hole, and I want my corporation to have access to a Rorqual in our system, I will need both a Fortizar and an Azbel. I will need the Azbel both to build the Rorqual and support enough manufacturing to keep up with a new and improved Rorq boosted fleet. However, I will not be able to dock said Rorqual into that Azbel after it is launched....... Which requires I spend more than double the money and make another risky Orca trip just to have a Fortizar to dock the Rorqual, or commit a pilot to man it 24/7 Titan style. Even if I HAD the Fortizar to dock the Rorqual with, if I ever decide that it should self-haul for the fleet (Inefficient as that may be), any ore that Rorq brings back would have to be shuttled from the Fortizar to the Azbel to reprocess and manufacture.

This stands out to me because it seems not in line with the spirit of what Engineering Complexes are intended to allow, which is an affordable, convenient place for industrialists to make a base of operations. Requiring a second, equally large, twice-as-expensive structure intended for defense rather than industry just to house the literal heart of my industrial operation seems somewhat odd. This could be overcome with something as simple as a Service Module that allows the docking of exactly 1 Rorqual in L Engineering Complexes. I'd happily pay the per-hour fuel cost to run a service module but only require the one structure, until the Rorqual has allowed me to acquire a Fortizar and/or Sotiyo. Even cooler, if you install this hypothetical module, it should be something visible from space which will make that Azbel a much juicier target, encouraging it's owners to buy or build bigger, meaner structures anyway. Plenty of risk for the reward of a Rorqual that is dockable in an Azbel.

TL;DR - Requiring an XL Engineering Complex or L Citadel to dock a Rorqual makes Industry life very challenging and un-intuitive for many Wormhole dwellers who plan to bring in a Rorq.

Otherwise, RAA is foaming at the mouth for the changes in Ascension! Thank y'all!

Will there be an extra post about the Engineering Complexes?

Overall, I think these look very nice. Some comments:

- Why was the copying removed from the Design Lab? Now you need both labs, if you want to do Tech II invention.

- Not being able to dock a Rorqual even to the large one make them much less useful.

- My main concern is that they are not really a proper replacement for POS for small industry corps. With a small POS, Labs, and Assembly Arrays you can start researching for a modest investment of 200M ISK and running costs of 10 blocks/hour. But even the smallest complex will be much more expensive and also the running costs are much higher. To do research and manufacturing, you need 60 blocks/hour.

- If they really drop materials that were used for production, that would be a great ganking target. Not sure that high-sec producer will like that. Is there a way to find out how much production is going on? Could the owners exploit that, by self destructiing it when they see that others are building stuff for 1T ISK?

Given the fuel costs - without considerable nerfs to current alternatives I see no reason to build new industry structures if one is doing industry even semi-actively.

My question, and I am sure a lot of people share it, when are these going to be on Sisi so we can test them? We're already mid october and this should, given the six week cycle, go live on or around nov 22. Do we have any time frame on when we're actually going to get to play with these to see what they're like in practice as opposed to the theory?