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For years, the Veteran Mantra shouted at noobs who complain about needing skillpoints to win has been:

"Skill points don't equal winning!"
"quit crying about not having high SP! SP is practically MEANINGLESS! What's important is your player skill and knowledge!"

So like, why all the crying now?

Apparently TO YOU, you've told us for years that skill points were practically meaningless. . . . So why do you cause such a fuss, literally oceans worth of tears over how now this what you referred to as meaningless facet of eve is now becoming more available?

Were you lying before?

Since you obviously lied before, does that mean you're probably lying now?

Essentially what it boils down to is you're too irrational and devious for the rest of us to bother listening to.
Your opinion is worthless because your only purpose of expressing it is to try and manipulate the rest of us into thinking your selfishness is actually altruism.

I'll add my post. I've been mulling the idea over since I heard about it, and while I can see some upsides, and I appreciate CCP Devs thinking out of the box, my ultimate vote has to be: No, I can't support this idea.

It may give a quick cash boost from those that can afford it, but that will both fade, and likely erode the playerbase further for reasons stated in this thread.

A better source of cash would be more subscriptions. For the most part, you all have really improved things. Now we need a better advertising structure to get that awareness of EVE raised worldwide.

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Honestly, I don't know why i even bother to write here, as there is clear the fewest people (if anyone) will read this, but I feel the desire to give a statement nontheless.

To make it simple: No, I don't like the idea at all (as many other fellow pilots for various reasons do neither).
The most important stuff will be highlighted with a "" if you cant be bothered to read it all.



But what would be the effect of all this?

1.) Skillpoints would need to be created, which would be very likely achieved by:
1.1.) "The Progamers"
At the point of introduction middleaged pilots with (in their eyes however) "wasted" Skillpoints in fields like Mining which never again was used by these pilots after the first weeks or months: So these pilots would most likely get rid of these unwanted balast and relocate them elsewhere to another, more usefull skill, or just to make some money. But at a certain point the influx of these would drasticly decrease, as people at a certain point usually know what they want to skill (or at least the direction) and got rid of the old stuff.
1.2.) "The stationaries"
Stationtraders, Tradehubscammers, Tradehubspammers, basicly people who do never actually leave stations. These people could freely do their daily work, gain more SP and just sell them right after. So it would increase the income for persons with such chars. These would be most likely the most reliable income for these Skillboxes due to the fact, that the common stationtraderchars just need certain skills and everything else would be wasted.
1.3.) "The bitter vets"
There are several pilots in eve who just dont know what to skill anymore. At 120million skillpoints you usually can fly everyhting most people find usefull and at the same time they usually do not care to much about skilling tradingskills at this point on their "main"-chars. So possibly these chars would sell SP as well or relocate them to other chars (but usually they would most likely just sell them, as these people usually do already have a nice ammount of well-trained usefull alts).
2.) Skillpoints would be consumed, which would be very likely done by:
2.1.) "Noobs"
If you are new to Eve you usually got no ******* idea what you actually want to do, and be honest: most new player start off with mining. Back in the days it was jetcanmining with Ospreys (horribly! really!) and these days its usually the venture. With this change newer players with a shitload of money could easily put their nose in several topics of eve online and have a look at the point they want to. At the moment they want to. Like "right naow!".
2.2.) "The Programmers"
Do you know these people? These pilots who want to min-max their effort in games, these people who die horribly with +5 implants in pvp because they desperatly want to gain more SP. These would buy them for sure! "Shut up and take my money!"
2.3.) "Alts"
- PI-alt, Cynoalt, Supercapital-alt, Trading-alt, Code-alt,...? You've got the money? You'll get it! In minutes!
2.4.) "people with ideas"
- Certain alliances do have skillrequirements, and from time to time, it might be tricky and timeconsuming to train such an alt. Fear not! Just get all the skills you need right now!
- "Yeah, you know I've met this nice little Miningcorp. They just recruit Miners. Just recently they've recruited a noob who just had Miningstuff skilled, they've checked it by API. The very next day he literally murdered all of his corpmates with a proteus, sitting right in front of the undock! Horrible!"
- "You know I was just roaming around in lowsec, there was a guy in local named 'Awesome PvPcharname!"... two weeks old! Easy prey I thought. Did not expect to get toasted by a two old char in a loki tho."
- "You know... people know my scamming-/awoxing-/whatever-alt by now by name everywhere. So I just deleted it, after depleeting all of its skills and transfering them to a new char. So just let's keep rolling!

So what would the final impacts be or rather what COULD be?

Positive:
3.1.) Alts could be trained way faster: I personally want a Nyx-Alt. I do have Iskies, but I want it to have a very own name and a very own corphistory. With this, I just could take my iskies and train it up right away.
3.2.) New Player could get Skills at a tremendus speed. Impairor -> Aeon in 1 day!
3.3.) Old players can get rid of "unwanted skillpoints" and even benefit from it
3.4.) Stationchars still have something usefull to do

Negative:
3.1.) => Depending on the pricing this could basicly lead to an end of the charbazar. If its cheaper to create your retort-char, why bother with a charbazar?
3.2.) => Do we really want this?
Every player in Eve online got a very own history. Who of us can forget the day when we got rid of this goddamn miningfrigate and finally entered the ugly Osprey to finally mine with 4 Mininglasers and barely any cargo, which lead to a canflip-osprey-loss just a few minutes after we entered our lovely ship?
Which newer player can forget the moment when he finally left the venture for an awesome miningbarge, taking place in the seat and get the smell of something new in your nose.
Which fighter can forget his very first victory in his awefully equiped frigate, the very first moment the ship was equiped with t2 weapons, after so much time, effort and suffer?

n my humble opinion the skillingprocess is a important part of the way Eve Online actually works. I know a lot of newer players who join the game and realize "oh hey wow, this and that ship is awesome! I wish i could fly it" Have you ever heard of "The journey is the reward"? It is always a journey to reach your very first level 4mission-runningship and it an awesome feeling to finally do these things on your own the very first time.
Due to characterslimitation i will go on in a second post.. ;P

I dont see a big difference between this and the original unallocated skillpoints idea, but several people have proposed this instead and i do like it more. Instead of selling sp packets people would farm and sell trained skills, and there would be a different market value for the different skills based on supply/demand. I think its unnecessarily complicating things over just unallocated sp but if more people are comfortable with trained skills then I'd go with them

these would be the 1 day heroes shooting up to reach high sp in record time that will be the idiots in fleet.

its not the SP...its the time flying to get the sp that matters and is actually factored heavily by many. This kind of why the most common question on an applicant form is "is your char bought?".

Most could give a rats ass if you bought the char. Your money, have at it. We want to know why you bought it. New player looking to speed things up ? (so in a really forgiving home we know you are a noob and can hopefully work with you on that if accepted) . Violated one of eve's main rules....never sell your main? Okay, did you learn your lesson and who was that main so we can research them up in the time you ran that char.

Worth noting this SP was already was bypassable. I know of many pirate crews where SP needs can be bypassed to a certain extent. If you can skirmish pretty good, do well in your trial (they set up a fight for you with a corp member, you don't even have to win the fight, just fly really good, not make stupid mistakes and not diaf like a muppet)...you get some +1's racking up.

+1's quite possibly better than me with 100+ mil sp with an extensive kill history from prior 0.0 time that admittedly screams "Yes, I was a F1 spam monkey" lol. Can't skirmish very well I won't lie, I'd fail many pirate crews trials.

Yeah this is a very important point. Anything that encourages more people actively playing and doing things with their main rather than getting alts is good for the game. Alts are basically the worst part of Eve

What happened to the price of the cerebral boosters?

Maybe if you asked them, they rather it be even shittier and less convenient, or gone altogether?

Plenty of reasons have already been said. I DO NOT support this terrible idea.