Missions & Complexes

Not directly related but do you think we could see a shrinkage in the size of Overseer Personal Effects? 10m3 fills up cargo holds fast on a frigate.

Hi happy to see new features :)

Unfortunately will be nice if someone fix a Sleeper sites !! No mechanic are working for me ! There was no problems but now simply i cant do any of sleeper. I send few Bug reports but no interest for about 5 days. Basically no one care :(

Meaning mechanic i mean :

Superior - Sentry pocket - unable to get my sentry when hacking to defense grid unit the sentry doesn't turn blue, nothing happen when hack to repair station
- Solar Pocket - Hacking to observatory taking gamma chip to gamma can but dmg is no reduced - No info on local
Standard - When hacking to one of Can you should get 60 sec alarm and other can to popup but nothing happen - No info on local chat.
Limited - Hacking to reduce pressure - nothing happening - no info on local chat about changes.

Do any of you have any problems with this sites ?

And how long I have to w8 until CCP respond :( Since last week I lose tons of isk where I was unable to do any of sleeper sites.

Anyone hear when these data site changes will be put in the game?

Just found this thread. My three cents.


PRESENT

I don't like rebalancing the sites neither according to rule: we'll make data better by making relic worse (or vice versa) nor: just put some stuff everywhere and even don't think its value will decrease dramatically in the blink of eye. Tbh I’m astonished CCP can’t adjust data/relic loot tables. There are thousands of items in the game! I don't care if there's snake-shaped structure or barren asteroid, they are all the same. You need to differentiate them, not only data from relic, but within the classes as well.

Sleeper caches are pretty nice, but to my mind it’s just one path. The other is to develop existing relic/data sites.

I strongly support putting some unexpected items into cans (apparel, random collectible stuff, even faction mods bpc). 1 bpc gecko in data sites is an excellent idea – on the one hand you can keep beloved geckos in the game, on the other it’s great opportunity to make some crap useful (for example high-tech garbage to produce geckos). Ofc they should be rare – we need dripping inlux of geckos, not waterfall.

Citadels are about to introduce. Then what are you waiting for?? Put some stuff into relic sites, some in data ones.

Ghost sites. I support putting superior ghost sites into C1-C3 wormholes as well as using cargo scanners there. Btw – anyone can tell me where are ghost rats in overview? Still have been looking for them there.


FUTURE

You were going to encourage ppl to explore. As we know mission is accomplished, hordes runnning data and relic sites. It’s ok, but data and relic sites as they are at the moment should be just for newbies or medium experienced players. Sleeper caches are very nice, but there's need for more. I would love hacker/archeologist as dedicated professions - requiring long time training and risky, but profitable and bringing tones of thrills. Hence implement other types of sites, other types of games, higher tier cans.

We are not interested neither in simple, boring schemes nor blind lotteries. Players need have a reasonable chance to get the reward, but you should put something unpredictable as well. Randomize sites. Randomize loot. Introduce multilevel games. Introduce hacking into deployables or abandoned structures. Ffs, use your imagination and creativity.


Some quick ideas.


Probabilistic logic - Rank 6 (Hacking V required)
Artifact analysis - Rank 6 (Archeology V req.)
Stuff: Advanced codebreaker / Advanced analyzer (Probabilistic logic II / Artifact analysis II req.)

Meta-analysis – Rank 6 ((Hacking V req., Archeology V req.)
Stuff: Password breaker (Meta-analysis II req.)

Advanced Hacking - Rank 8 (Hacking V req.)
Mathematics - Rank 4 (Hacking V req.)
Advanced Mathematics - Rank 8 (Mathematics V req.)
Virus Creating - Rank 10 (Advanced Hacking V req., Advanced Mathematics V req.)
Password Breaking - Rank 12 (Virus Creating V req.)

Advanced Archeology - Rank 8 (Archeology V req.)
Epigraphy - Rank 4 (Archeology V req)
Advanced Epigraphy - Rank 8 (Epigraphy V req.)
Ancient Languages Translating - Rank 10 (Advanced Archeology V req., Advanced Epigraphy V req.)
Glyph Decoding - Rank 12 ( Ancient Languages Translating V req.)


5th tier cans (advanced codebreaker/analyzer req.)
Level 1 - AM V / AE V req. (Game type 1 – more difficult variation of current game)
Level 2 - VC IV / ALT IV req. (Game type 2 – kind of puzzling game?)

6th tier cans (advanced codebreaker/analyzer req. + password breaker (low slot module))
Level 1 - VC III/ALT III req. (Game type 1)
Level 2 - ALT V/ VC V req. (Game type 2)
Level 3 - GD III/PB III req. (Game type 3 – other type of logical game)


Do not take shortcuts! Make skillbooks expensive and prerequisites high. Consider bonuses, make even rank 12 skills worth to train to V. Consider attributes and games parameters.

Be ambitious, set the bar high. Yes, we will gnash our teeth if failing, but we can stand it if there are nice rewards. I prefer (even when skills maxed) low chance of winning game than easy one where at the end I find an empty can.
Still want encourage ppl? Make those new types of data/relic sites rare and difficult to scan (signal strength of superior sleeper caches), but spread all over the spaces – null, low, high, wh.

All of that are raw ideas, but I got them within a few minutes. Ffs, there are hundreds of possibilities! Give us an interesting game!!

Just a little heads up that the changes listed on my first post will be coming out with Operation Frostline on December the 8th.

Is this a typo and you meant "C1 to C3" or are you adding these "higher tiered (higher value) Cosmos site building materials" to sleeper data sites aswell?

Yeah I'll get that lowered as well for the December release.

Yes these changes are on Singularity now.

@CCP RedDawn

thanks for your reply and your effort, of course.
I'm eager to see, how those changes will affect the value of data sites. Although, i think this still won't put them on par with relics. But it's definately a step in the right direction.

Keep up the good work.

* All Ghost sites are now Cosmic Signatures rather than Anomalies.

So they need to be scanned down? Why?! It takes ages to find one in null. Why make them even harder to find?

Or is this just for the besieged sites sites in low sec?