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Two Step: killing the gravy train...

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#201 - 2015-10-02 10:08:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
RcTamiya wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
RcTamiya wrote:


Your idea isn't solving the farmer online issue in c5 and c6, sadly


It disables the ability to farm your home system for 4 days in a row, so please explain why this doesn't solve the issue?? Straight


It does increase the frequency of new sites and farmers then will have 2-3 farms instead of 1 for same results.


In theory yes but in practice lots of sites will end up in empty systems or systems owned by people who do not run sites often. So i believe it will achieve the goal of encouraging static farming. Whether they have multiple farmers is not an issue IMO, it's the ability to lock yourself off in a place where you already have the home advantage if something does go wrong. If you are willing to accept the increased risk of farming your static, then you should be allowed to make tonnes of isk.

Under this new system, i don't think criting all your connections would be such a big issue but if that is what you are talking about i suggested a solution earlier - change mechanics so one health wormhole to wormhole connection is always present.

The are some good ideas in this thread and i don't claim to have all the answers but if think this section of the forums is pretty good at arriving at consensus.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Sandrilla Sastrum
Doomheim
#202 - 2015-10-02 11:18:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Sandrilla Sastrum
Rek Seven wrote:
Sandrilla Sastrum wrote:

More bittervet garbage as usual. I really, really hope CCP ignores this thread.

Or could it be that I'm to late to enjoy this game and should start playing a newer game?


What are you talking about you ******* moron? How is wanting to improve wormholes a bitter vet thing?


The problem is MORON, that your so-called improvements will only benefit bittervets like yourself. I think WHs are fine as is. If your bittervet ideas are implemented, then half the current WH residents will relocate elsewhere. Unless you actually want WHs to be even less occupied than it already is?

Just be honest, currently you have to work to get engagements in WHs and you don't like that cause you're lazy. In other words you want CCP to change WHs to your benefits so you can get easier kills. And now you're trying to get all the other bittervets onto your little bandwagon to justify your case.

-1 to your whole idea. If you want more content then take your lazy butt to null. I'm sure they'll satiate that bloodlust of yours.
RcTamiya
Magister Mortalis.
#203 - 2015-10-02 11:40:52 UTC
Sandrilla Sastrum wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Sandrilla Sastrum wrote:

More bittervet garbage as usual. I really, really hope CCP ignores this thread.

Or could it be that I'm to late to enjoy this game and should start playing a newer game?


What are you talking about you ******* moron? How is wanting to improve wormholes a bitter vet thing?


The problem is MORON, that your so-called improvements will only benefit bittervets like yourself. I think WHs are fine as is. If your bittervet ideas are implemented, then half the current WH residents will relocate elsewhere. Unless you actually want WHs to be even less occupied than it already is?

Just be honest, currently you have to work to get engagements in WHs and you don't like that cause you're lazy. In other words you want CCP to change WHs to your benefits so you can get easier kills. And now you're trying to get all the other bittervets onto your little bandwagon to justify your case.

-1 to your whole idea. If you want more content then take your lazy butt to null. I'm sure they'll satiate that bloodlust of yours.



if everybody who wants to pvp moves into 00, who's pvping in wspace then?
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#204 - 2015-10-02 11:41:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Sandrilla Sastrum wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Sandrilla Sastrum wrote:

More bittervet garbage as usual. I really, really hope CCP ignores this thread.

Or could it be that I'm to late to enjoy this game and should start playing a newer game?


What are you talking about you ******* moron? How is wanting to improve wormholes a bitter vet thing?


The problem is MORON, that your so-called improvements will only benefit bittervets like yourself. I think WHs are fine as is. If your bittervet ideas are implemented, then half the current WH residents will relocate elsewhere. Unless you actually want WHs to be even less occupied than it already is?

Just be honest, currently you have to work to get engagements in WHs and you don't like that cause you're lazy. In other words you want CCP to change WHs to your benefits so you can get easier kills. And now you're trying to get all the other bittervets onto your little bandwagon to justify your case.

-1 to your whole idea. If you want more content then take your lazy butt to null. I'm sure they'll satiate that bloodlust of yours.


You are wrong. I don't want easy kills, i want more activity in wormhole space.

How about you calm down, get off your high horse and be constructive? You don't want CCP to do what the vets want but they are certainly not going to listen to some douchebag in an NPC corp who insults people and is crying about how he should be able to farm is safety.

You want safety, move to null sec! ... your comments are stupid and you should feel bad.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Alundil
Rolled Out
#205 - 2015-10-02 19:21:07 UTC
Sandrilla Sastrum wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:

REK SEVEN'S Thoughts


More bittervet garbage as usual. I really, really hope CCP ignores this thread.

Or could it be that I'm to late to enjoy this game and should start playing a newer game?

This was possibly the most ridiculous statement I've read all day on E-O. That is until I read.....


Sandrilla Sastrum wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Sandrilla Sastrum wrote:

More bittervet garbage as usual. I really, really hope CCP ignores this thread.

Or could it be that I'm to late to enjoy this game and should start playing a newer game?


What are you talking about you ******* moron? How is wanting to improve wormholes a bitter vet thing?


The problem is MORON, that your so-called improvements will only benefit bittervets like yourself. I think WHs are fine as is. If your bittervet ideas are implemented, then half the current WH residents will relocate elsewhere. Unless you actually want WHs to be even less occupied than it already is?

Just be honest, currently you have to work to get engagements in WHs and you don't like that cause you're lazy. In other words you want CCP to change WHs to your benefits so you can get easier kills. And now you're trying to get all the other bittervets onto your little bandwagon to justify your case.

-1 to your whole idea. If you want more content then take your lazy butt to null. I'm sure they'll satiate that bloodlust of yours.


THIS is the most ridiculous statement all day on E-O forums. You should feel proud that you've earned not one but two Awesome ShipToaster awards in the same thread. That's a true feat that we seldom see. I'd applaud you, but I have heard that loud noises cause undue stress and fear among the more "challenged" members of society.

I'm right behind you
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CastleKickers
Rote Kapelle
#206 - 2015-10-03 01:34:54 UTC
As with all thread-o-naughts on the forums this one is fizziling out into slung insults!

Good trolling or a legit young(er) player holding grievances we will never know.

The fact is bittervets as you call them have a much better understanding of issues within the game (most of the time.....) just due to how long they have played.Sure not everyone's idea's are going to be the best ones but lording around as a unknown entity shouting bittervet at everyone who posts on the thread with any idea's on the situation is just gonna get your grief and doesn't accomplish anything.

If we can steer this back to the original point of the thread, ill say it again ISK isn't the issue here - never has been.never will be.
Activity's in EVE for generating isk should all be based around risk/reward and for this reason i truly feel wormhole cap escalations are not by far the worst offenders of this.

Sure you lock down your hole more or less but someone who really wants you dead still has options for achieving this.Scouting you for a week or two to get a feel for your site running habits and online/offline times just needs to wait for you to log off before moving a small gang in and logging off til the next day.

You also have a very removable POS situated in a system that if someone REALLY REALLY wanted you gone could accomplish.

Cap escalations are the current highest/hardest form of PVE in eve and as such should carry the highest rewards.

I think in terms of balancing this isk a little the only things to be looked at are the mechanics of keeping 1 rat alive to respawn the whole site again after DT and i truly hold the belief that npckill data should be made available again for WHspace.

Bears using there brains can still get away with farming if they are clever about it and take there time to prep for bearing (reading critting connections) but will allow pvp entitys to delta hunt the same way as pvpers do hunting nullbears with DOTLAN.

We dont want less solo pilots printing isk in this way as we want to dunk them!

Saying all this if you truly want to get on the bandwagon of stopping the so called gravy chain there are way more skewed risk/reward activity's that need a pass first.Incursions being the most hated but if you want broken roll an alt into every Faction Warfare train him into bomber and run FW lvl4's at T4 - 500mil an hour in a ship that costs 40mil.(Oh at a trraining cost of roughly 30days)

Dont mess with the isk income of higher class wormhole space - we want caps to dunk - fiddle with the inherent risk associated with these tasks.
Sandrilla Sastrum
Doomheim
#207 - 2015-10-03 02:40:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Sandrilla Sastrum
THIS is the most ridiculous statement all day on E-O forums. You should feel proud that you've earned not one but two Awesome ShipToaster awards in the same thread. That's a true feat that we seldom see. I'd applaud you, but I have heard that loud noises cause undue stress and fear among the more "challenged" members of society.
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If I'm still playing this harsh game next year, I might've evolve in eve enough to agree with your assessment, but not now. Eve will never grow anymore than it already has because you bittervets are constantly raising the bar.
Winthorp
#208 - 2015-10-03 03:02:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Winthorp
Sandrilla Sastrum wrote:
blah blah blah





Post with your main, scared little child. Then more people might take you seriously.
Sandrilla Sastrum
Doomheim
#209 - 2015-10-03 03:03:22 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Sandrilla Sastrum wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Sandrilla Sastrum wrote:

More bittervet garbage as usual. I really, really hope CCP ignores this thread.

Or could it be that I'm to late to enjoy this game and should start playing a newer game?


What are you talking about you ******* moron? How is wanting to improve wormholes a bitter vet thing?


The problem is MORON, that your so-called improvements will only benefit bittervets like yourself. I think WHs are fine as is. If your bittervet ideas are implemented, then half the current WH residents will relocate elsewhere. Unless you actually want WHs to be even less occupied than it already is?

Just be honest, currently you have to work to get engagements in WHs and you don't like that cause you're lazy. In other words you want CCP to change WHs to your benefits so you can get easier kills. And now you're trying to get all the other bittervets onto your little bandwagon to justify your case.

-1 to your whole idea. If you want more content then take your lazy butt to null. I'm sure they'll satiate that bloodlust of yours.


You are wrong. I don't want easy kills, i want more activity in wormhole space.

How about you calm down, get off your high horse and be constructive? You don't want CCP to do what the vets want but they are certainly not going to listen to some douchebag in an NPC corp who insults people and is crying about how he should be able to farm is safety.

You want safety, move to null sec! ... your comments are stupid and you should feel bad.



You are a hypocrite, you were the first one to call me a moron and a douchebag and you try to make me out to be the bad guy?? And this char is just a forum alt, I'm to new to risk revealing my mains to bittervets who'd just put me on watch 24/7. Most people in this thread have 5+ years of experience in eve. There's no way I'll be able to match any of you in this game no time soon, so I have to play this game as safe as possible until I evolve. WH space for me is hard enough as it is, why make it near impossible for any one besides veterans. CCP has their hands full atm anyway with the ship rebalancing, citadels, and the reconstruction of the new sov, so why try to add more to their already full plate? My advice for CCP would be to leave WHs as they are and finish the other projects as first priority. If you want more action in WHs, stop being lazy and start rolling. There's plenty of kills been made in WHs even now, just check the KBs.
Sandrilla Sastrum
Doomheim
#210 - 2015-10-03 03:07:33 UTC
Winthorp wrote:
Sandrilla Sastrum wrote:
blah blah blah





Post with your main, scared little child. Then more people might take you seriously.


I will when I get as good as you vets, just be patient.
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CastleKickers
Rote Kapelle
#211 - 2015-10-03 03:25:21 UTC
Dont feed the trollbait winthorp jeeze.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#212 - 2015-10-03 03:46:13 UTC
Sandrilla Sastrum wrote:
I will when I get as good as you vets, just be patient.


Literally the only difference is confidence. You don't really expect anyone to camp you for your opinion, do you?

Now for those potential X-types, that's an entirely different question.
GizzyBoy
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#213 - 2015-10-03 04:44:58 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Sandrilla Sastrum wrote:
I will when I get as good as you vets, just be patient.


Literally the only difference is confidence. You don't really expect anyone to camp you for your opinion, do you?

Now for those potential X-types, that's an entirely different question.



X-types are so cheap Id need more motivation to go through all the trouble required.