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Notice: Investgation and Prize Item Freeze for Teams in ATXIII

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Atlan Dallocort
Know your Role
#41 - 2015-09-16 10:05:43 UTC
Just give all the prices to PL and the universe is in balance again. Never beat PL! Roll
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#42 - 2015-09-16 12:08:42 UTC
KIAGumpy wrote:
If no one gets banned can we at least have CCP just send 7 trillion isk to the Camlords Captain and not have a bullshit tourney every year instead?

You have at least make it look like they did something...
suicide
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#43 - 2015-09-16 12:44:14 UTC  |  Edited by: suicide
They won.

Give them ships.

Sigh.

It seems more META to take away a victory after the fact than to win with shared information.
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#44 - 2015-09-16 12:59:55 UTC
IF they dq camlords.

I dont like a flat moving up the order (i.e pl 1, exodus 2, tusker 3.5, nulli 3.5). It isnt fair to the teams that had to go through the allegedly cheating teams first. Everyone lost to them, and if they got dqed the other half of the bracket (i.e the teams that didnt even face pl and only lost to hydra) then were kicked out unfairely. Pl then won by merit of having to face them last, while dodging other teams. That imo is not a fair way to win.

If they do dq camel and warlords the new top 4 should imo all be treated equal and no winner should be crowned, as there really was none bar camel/hydra. Otherwise pl would win by means of lucky seed and no one (bar pl ;) ) wants that.
Arec Bardwin
#45 - 2015-09-16 13:02:15 UTC
Perhaps next year consider making the prizes some token golden/silver/bronze ship skins and let the teams fight over space honour instead of trillions in prize ships Roll

If anyone is surprised that eve players will do anything to win prizes worth this amount of isk they are incredibly naive. This includes CCP of course.
Akrasjel Lanate
Lanate Industries
#46 - 2015-09-16 13:21:09 UTC
EVE is meta don't be surprised when they play the game that way.
End result is what matters

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#47 - 2015-09-16 13:22:20 UTC
Arec Bardwin wrote:
Perhaps next year consider making the prizes some token golden/silver/bronze ship skins and let the teams fight over space honour instead of trillions in prize ships Roll

If anyone is surprised that eve players will do anything to win prizes worth this amount of isk they are incredibly naive. This includes CCP of course.

I think you are the naive one if you think people wouldn't compete with the same ferocity, be it for a unique ship, space honour, a medal, a title, a skin, a used Kleenex or just for fun and drama.

Maybe you've forgotten which game you are playing?
Faife
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#48 - 2015-09-16 13:39:06 UTC
i'm ok with giving them the prize ships, but ban them out of the accounts too

bans or riot
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#49 - 2015-09-16 13:41:16 UTC
Goodbye my good Fiend o/ Sad

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.

Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#50 - 2015-09-16 13:54:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
EVE is meta don't be surprised when they play the game that way.
End result is what matters


eve is meta, AT is not like the rest of the game, its meant as eSports where meta has no place.

imagine a soccer game where one team bribes the opponent keeper XD
Faife
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#51 - 2015-09-16 13:55:46 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
EVE is meta don't be surprised when they play the game that way.
End result is what matters


eve is meta, AT is not like the rest of the game, its meant as eSports where no meta should be allowed.

imagine a soccer game where one team bribes the opponent keeper XD


yes, just try and imagine corruption in FIFA.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#52 - 2015-09-16 13:58:05 UTC
Faife wrote:

yes, just try and imagine corruption in FIFA.


even though I was talking about a particular match, you are missing the fact that corruption on even higher level is investigated and will have people punished. Noone wants to watch rigged crap, its death sentence for any serious sports (in case of FIFA not so much because no actual match/tournament has been cheated)
Faife
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#53 - 2015-09-16 14:00:17 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
Faife wrote:

yes, just try and imagine corruption in FIFA.


even though I was talking about a particular match, you are missing the fact that corruption on even higher level is investigated and will have people punished. Noone wants to watch rigged crap, its death sentence for any serious sports (in case of FIFA not so much because no actual match/tournament has been cheated)


well **** that noone guy whoever he is and you're insane if you think "no actual match/tournament" has been cheated.

also ban hydra
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#54 - 2015-09-16 14:06:41 UTC
Faife wrote:

well **** that noone guy whoever he is and you're insane if you think "no actual match/tournament" has been cheated.

also ban hydra


regardless, there is always a shitstorm going once someone gets caught cheating/rigging matches. whats your point?

yes, ban hydra



W0lf Crendraven wrote:
IF they dq camlords.

I dont like a flat moving up the order (i.e pl 1, exodus 2, tusker 3.5, nulli 3.5). It isnt fair to the teams that had to go through the allegedly cheating teams first. Everyone lost to them, and if they got dqed the other half of the bracket (i.e the teams that didnt even face pl and only lost to hydra) then were kicked out unfairely. Pl then won by merit of having to face them last, while dodging other teams. That imo is not a fair way to win.

If they do dq camel and warlords the new top 4 should imo all be treated equal and no winner should be crowned, as there really was none bar camel/hydra. Otherwise pl would win by means of lucky seed and no one (bar pl ;) ) wants that.


yea, maybe they just remove all prizes and be done with it. Would be more fair for the rest of AT participants.
motie one
Secret Passage
#55 - 2015-09-16 14:38:02 UTC
It is very sad that things have come to this.
CCP now need to do a detailed investigation.
Freezing the prizes is a good first step and does not assume either innocence or guilt.

What ever action they take if guilt is found needs to be fair and honourable no matter how hard it is to implement.

If they do that all those who are fair minded will give them our full support.

Good luck with a difficuilt task, rise to the occasion and take pride in your efforts.
Mr Rive
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#56 - 2015-09-16 14:44:50 UTC
The people who participate in the AT follow the rules set out by CCP because we want an esport of our own. CCP get out of this exposure, enjoyment (i hope) and a feeling of cooperation with the players.

Breaking those rules doesn't violate the EULA, but it sets out to endanger something awesome. Hydra set out to play the game with CCP we all play between ourselves, that of out metaing our opponents. CCP is not our opponent. That's a line we as participants in the tournament cannot cross if the tournament is to have any validity as an esport.

If CCP can find objective proof of this in action in one or more teams in the AT, then it invalidates not only the prizes given out to the cheaters, but it invalidates any match they played throughout the tournament. There are a lot of teams who might have placed highly if it wasn't for their cheating, and they need to be compensated in some way.

IF the allegations are true, the captains of the teams need to be punished heavily. A lot of the pilots in the teams had an idea of what was going on (i mean hell everyone else did) but they were not the ones who tried to cheat the system. This kind of behaviour will continue if you dont set a very firm example of these pilots.
Kaeda Maxwell
Screaming Hayabusa
#57 - 2015-09-16 14:55:07 UTC
Mr Rive wrote:
The people who participate in the AT follow the rules set out by CCP because we want an esport of our own. CCP get out of this exposure, enjoyment (i hope) and a feeling of cooperation with the players.

Breaking those rules doesn't violate the EULA, but it sets out to endanger something awesome. Hydra set out to play the game with CCP we all play between ourselves, that of out metaing our opponents. CCP is not our opponent. That's a line we as participants in the tournament cannot cross if the tournament is to have any validity as an esport.

If CCP can find objective proof of this in action in one or more teams in the AT, then it invalidates not only the prizes given out to the cheaters, but it invalidates any match they played throughout the tournament. There are a lot of teams who might have placed highly if it wasn't for their cheating, and they need to be compensated in some way.

IF the allegations are true, the captains of the teams need to be punished heavily. A lot of the pilots in the teams had an idea of what was going on (i mean hell everyone else did) but they were not the ones who tried to cheat the system. This kind of behaviour will continue if you dont set a very firm example of these pilots.


They haven't been found guilty yet. Jumping the gun much?
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#58 - 2015-09-16 15:09:17 UTC  |  Edited by: W0lf Crendraven
Mr Rive wrote:
The people who participate in the AT follow the rules set out by CCP because we want an esport of our own. CCP get out of this exposure, enjoyment (i hope) and a feeling of cooperation with the players.

Breaking those rules doesn't violate the EULA, but it sets out to endanger something awesome. Hydra set out to play the game with CCP we all play between ourselves, that of out metaing our opponents. CCP is not our opponent. That's a line we as participants in the tournament cannot cross if the tournament is to have any validity as an esport.

If CCP can find objective proof of this in action in one or more teams in the AT, then it invalidates not only the prizes given out to the cheaters, but it invalidates any match they played throughout the tournament. There are a lot of teams who might have placed highly if it wasn't for their cheating, and they need to be compensated in some way.

IF the allegations are true, the captains of the teams need to be punished heavily. A lot of the pilots in the teams had an idea of what was going on (i mean hell everyone else did) but they were not the ones who tried to cheat the system. This kind of behaviour will continue if you dont set a very firm example of these pilots.


Severely disagree on some points, you cant punish the average member, what are they to do? Stop doing stuff midmatch when they realize it was thrown? If they realize it sooner, break of with all friends and go away? Even if you suspect, go to your team captain and complain and he tells you nothing is happening and to shut up, what are you to do?


While i agree with punishing the captains, dqing them and taking the prizes. The average member really shouldnt get punished at all.
Valkin Mordirc
#59 - 2015-09-16 15:10:43 UTC
Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
Mr Rive wrote:
The people who participate in the AT follow the rules set out by CCP because we want an esport of our own. CCP get out of this exposure, enjoyment (i hope) and a feeling of cooperation with the players.

Breaking those rules doesn't violate the EULA, but it sets out to endanger something awesome. Hydra set out to play the game with CCP we all play between ourselves, that of out metaing our opponents. CCP is not our opponent. That's a line we as participants in the tournament cannot cross if the tournament is to have any validity as an esport.

If CCP can find objective proof of this in action in one or more teams in the AT, then it invalidates not only the prizes given out to the cheaters, but it invalidates any match they played throughout the tournament. There are a lot of teams who might have placed highly if it wasn't for their cheating, and they need to be compensated in some way.

IF the allegations are true, the captains of the teams need to be punished heavily. A lot of the pilots in the teams had an idea of what was going on (i mean hell everyone else did) but they were not the ones who tried to cheat the system. This kind of behaviour will continue if you dont set a very firm example of these pilots.


They haven't been found guilty yet. Jumping the gun much?



Hey I'm fairly neutral to this whole thing,



Quote:
IF the allegations are true



You should read homie.
#DeleteTheWeak
Mr Rive
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#60 - 2015-09-16 15:18:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Rive
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
Mr Rive wrote:
The people who participate in the AT follow the rules set out by CCP because we want an esport of our own. CCP get out of this exposure, enjoyment (i hope) and a feeling of cooperation with the players.

Breaking those rules doesn't violate the EULA, but it sets out to endanger something awesome. Hydra set out to play the game with CCP we all play between ourselves, that of out metaing our opponents. CCP is not our opponent. That's a line we as participants in the tournament cannot cross if the tournament is to have any validity as an esport.

If CCP can find objective proof of this in action in one or more teams in the AT, then it invalidates not only the prizes given out to the cheaters, but it invalidates any match they played throughout the tournament. There are a lot of teams who might have placed highly if it wasn't for their cheating, and they need to be compensated in some way.

IF the allegations are true, the captains of the teams need to be punished heavily. A lot of the pilots in the teams had an idea of what was going on (i mean hell everyone else did) but they were not the ones who tried to cheat the system. This kind of behaviour will continue if you dont set a very firm example of these pilots.


Severely disagree on some points, you cant punish the average member, what are they to do? Stop doing stuff midmatch when they realize it was thrown? If they realize it sooner, break of with all friends and go away? Even if you suspect, go to your team captain and complain and he tells you nothing is happening and to shut up, what are you to do?


While i agree with punishing the captains, dqing them and taking the prizes. The average member really shouldnt get punished at all.


I agree. There are a lot of really good pilots in hydra teams. They deserve to get to keep playing. I know how PL works and a lot of the team doesnt know half of whats going on, and trust their captains when they tell them what to do. I would like to see the pilots find homes in new alliances, with captains who dont deliberately flaunt the rules.

Again, IF THE ALLEGATIONS ARE TRUE, seen as some people dont seem to get that bit. Something went on, but CCP has to be fair and know they broke rules before they start handing out punishments for a tournament whose verdict has already been reached.