EVE General Discussion

Four pages in such short time so all that can be said has been said.

If your friends say the sub is a scam, boy are they an entitled bunch. Servers need to be maintained and eevs need their pay.

People who complain about subs, I do not get it. No sevice is free. Free to play mechanics means incentive to spend money for something that else you cannot get. People who play 100% free a free to play are riding on another person's dime.

Cause of this and eve being effort first, a traditional free to play does not work. Plex essentially makes it like free to play. Some pay for isk, sub negates a monthy isk penalty.

Sounds like they need to get over themselves. Most of what you listed means jack and **** as it relates to EvE. This isn't Star Trek and Star Wars. EvE is a long time investment. They need to get over their instant gratification bullshit. They also seem to have no idea about the game. Perhaps you aren't teaching them correctly. They can jump right in day one.

It's all about attitude. I bet most of us have limited time, but you don't see us throwing a tantrum.

Also. They don't want to pay, they don't need to play.

Why are you not simply be a good friend and give them the answers to their questions? You should have enough input now to do so, right?

All the problems you mentioned are mostly the fault of simpified mechanics and player base. A pro and fun pvp experience is available from the start, but closed mindedness means SP 10m minimum and all that bs.

Edit: There is zero reason that people who are new cannot be in a main fight. In fact, they should be vital in my opinion. Shame though, people worry too much about their killboard stats instead of a gf.

From what I'm reading it seems you want Eve to be free to play so your friends who play CoD and LoL can play with you without crying because the trailers have more action then they'll see for a while in the game.

I can see where they are coming from. What is presented and what is actually experienced are quite disconnexted. I feel the same. Even the dominion trailer was supposed to sample large alliance but I did not see station games and more than one ship at a time was being shot at.....

Even the visuals.... I used advanced camera options to change the visuals in eve. Most only see brackets. I see...

http://i.imgur.com/1Uv8td1.png

Why isnt this the default camera viewing and a hud that centres around this style?

But F2P if not actually meant as P2W will not help to overcome the impatience of your friends ... EvE is a complex game with a lot of freedom for the players, and most of the content (especially the one shown in the video) is organized and created by other players. So you need to find the right group to do the fun stuff with (btw, the names of the groups and players are mentioned in the trailer). If you just sit there and wait that the fun comes to you, EvE certainly will suck.

Yet here you are, still ignorant of how Eve and the Plex works, after all those years.

When I started we had no Plex, I thought it was a mistake at the time to introduce them, but changed that stance after I realized that I could stop paying my subs since had enough isk do what I wanted in the game and not give CCP money but as a game developer myself I thought it was a short cut to increase profits for CCP.

My expectation for CCP is that they would use this influx of cash to increase the quality of the content following the same pattern they had which was updating the visuals based on video card performance capabilities.

They showed me the Walking in Station demo on a laptop 10 years ago at GDC, I went on a white board and explained to them how the speed of light at which information travels would prevent them from creating the system they had shown me at the time, and some possible ways around it.

All the ways would be a fundamental change to the core structure of Eve and we all agreed that it would be a terrible path to follow, but they continued to invest in what they renamed Ambulation for years.

Most of the money from initial burst of Plex cash went into buying White Wolf and starting the Vampire team not Eve.

I then again met more CCP in Shanghai went drinking with them had a few lunches we mostly talked about DUST before it was released since I am considered an expert on that genre, COD, Quake Series, Medal Honor etc.

Now we seem to be at state where CCP has slowly nerfed income generation for a certain percentage of he population and those people are choosing to leave the game instead of paying for it.

Could be good new players getting to experience the same content with fresh eyes, ah we come full circle my recent experience newer players not wanting to work that hard for what they are seeing in trailer. This is why I asked the question about Free To Play. Many of your ideas are inspiring.

Regardless of my personal history with CCP I love Eve for what it is but finding it hard to keep good gamers interested in it long enough to invest in it, by designing a free to play model that doesn't destroy what veteran players love about the game could be time well spent for CCP to survive the next 10 years.

No easy task, but I am thinking about it, and writing down a design for them for free before i get dragged into another life consuming development cycle.

Current CCP trend is VR headsets and breaking parts off the game to create to products like Valkyrie which use the same models in the Unreal 3 or 4 engine but give the player a different experience, and offer CCP new revenue steam.

These new streams could be used to support Eve and continue to increase the fidelity of the Eve Universe but again they might use this cash to take to break more of Eve into other smaller products hoping one hits it big.

The UI direction is an indicator that CCP have plans to put Eve on touch screen devices so that you can play it from an iPad and or other tablet device. I am sure this is possible to do this already.

The content delivery method mentioned in the Fan fest video of content on demand would indicate that this in fact a way to deliver content to smaller devices. By putting development resources in this direction it seems that CCP is moving away from the standard PC as a hardware platform.

Predicted next marketing message, You can Take Eve Everywhere! or New Eden in the palm of your hand!


Done for now, sorry for long post.

Good points!

I guess it is a question of survival if CCP can survive while creating new products based on Eve to expand the type of customer and amount of customers revenue using New Eden as a test bed for this content they might be fine if one of these new products hit.

Risk is that if they build and invest in content away from the core Eve player or make game play changes that turn off the dedicated hardcore customer and do not have enough new players to replace that revenue stream and if these new players are dedicated enough to stay with the product to invest in it.

This has always been the risk and they have had a few minor stumbles but as far as batting average CCP does a great job of creating content that its customers love.

Just as a side note: As long as they keep making new ships they are safe with me, I love new ships, training for them, fitting them, testing them, that alone is enough to keep me happy, but I am old paper and pen Battletech, StarFleetBattles, Champions gamer, also grew up on Elite from the Apple II these are the reasons I fell in love with Eve to begin with but I am the minority of worldwide gamers, like you.

Hobby point is fine if you have the time to make it your hobby its a very narrow part of the gaming population that can afford the time requirement you mention they have enough time to play a few hours a night and go back to RL.

ADD++ I always thought this is why Goons and other orgs like Red / Blue were successful is that they remove these bricks off the plate of players that have a limited amount of time. Also proves the point that the most successful orgs in Eve make the game easier to play by providing services that CCP is not providing.