EVE General Discussion

If people aren't willing to pay to play this game then it's probably just not the game for them. There are other MMO'S I'm unwilling to pay to play which are perfectly good games but just not right for me.

I've heard those high-end null sec players too.

In my experience those tales of 100 mill an hour are more accurately "I made 100 mil an hour once, but usually it's more like 30 mill". To stand any chance of a high tick you need an expensive and luxurious ratting carrier setup or similar which you probably wouldn't want anyway.

The idea of your endgame being grinding isk to pay for your account so you can keep grinding isk to pay for your account.... has just always seemed a bit daft to me. Setting time aside IRL is a significantly better isk/hr ratio.

I'm a PVP'r. I like flying ships and getting them exploded after a GF, not shooting red crosses. My usual business plan has me subbing with cash normally with an occasional plex purchase which I then use to seed a market somewhere. This then makes my bought plex last a whole lot longer. I always plan on taking my profits and reseeding the market but I never do. It just gets spunked away on more explosions. I'm more interested in a good isk/hassle ratio. My market setup makes me either 1.4 mill isk/hour every hour weather I'm logged or not, or in terms of actual time at keyboard around 500 mill an hour. That's a great tick.

But hey, I fly frigs and dessys. I'm sure one of the reasons those guys spend time ratting in carriers is because they can sit in the carrier they invested so much time and isk into.


ed. and to add to the op. For a game that is over 10 years old Eve is still ahead of it's time. The idea of 'the sandbox' (a true one) still hasn't made it to the mainstream and Eve will certainly be a niche game until it does.

this is the first indication that they will not enjoy EVE and will spend most of their time on the forums screaming for shorter training times. they'll never be happy. wrong game for these people, a pity but that's just how it is.



this is the second indication that they will not enjoy EVE and will spend most of their time on the forums screaming about (insert random idea we've had a thousands times) . they'll never be happy. wrong game for these people, again a pity.



sounds like people who are not interested in playing EVE. no amount of skills or ships will keep these people. they are not even interested in logging in to play.



they are not ready to spend money as you stated above --- "most are great gamers do the calculations and just go this isn't worth my time or effort or money"



they want a a new character but want it full of win from day one,,,,, hahahahahahaha (having high skill points and lots of shiny ships doesn't make you full of win) they don't understand how the game works and perhaps you're at fault in explaining this.

you've just got to understand that EVE is not for all, then everything will be ok

Nothing is free.

End of lesson.

I'm going to play demons avocado here and I'm not saying I think eve should be free to play or that a agree with that concept but....

Some of the most successful of games out now are f2p and NOT p2w and i bet they make way more bank than CCP.
Non-p2w micro transactions are def the way to go but ATM CCP are terrible at them so that wouldn't work for eve.

Cmon a subscription is USD$15 a month, im pretty sure you spend more on beers one night out. If you are unwilling to pay that for something that gives you entertainment (at least to me it does) almost daily for some hours then EvE its indeed not for you. I mean.. how much is cable (or similar) TV this days?
Then, there are many ways to do 50-100 m/hr in this game, that could make it free to play actually. But plexes are still going up.

Anyway, I do support helping new players to get in at least one useful role/ship quickly. Right now there is a lot of strong low skill ships.

Greetings.

The interface for Eve online is very deep for new players, and you have in station, in space versions. Compare Eve's interface to LoL, Dota2, GO, or CoD, these games are not MMO's but are popular now compare the layout of most MMO to Eve, most are ripped off from Wow and changed for that particular game, the differences are easy to spot if you are familiar with Wow, transition is smooth for most people. Eve is very unique.

Pretend you know nothing of the game start opening windows.

But this is another good point, removing the windows and neocom buttons for new player so they have 2 or 3 instead of 10 choices which are revealed in a staged manor as events or tasks appeared would be less intimidating to new players and allow them to learn each window as its needed based on the new event system.

Channel
People and places
Wallet
Ship fitting

Could be good starter choices or design a system to base the choices on the type of rookie mission picked. Reveal buttons as they are required.

That probably could be made to work, although it may also hinder learning too and require more of a lengthy induction process. That in itself may end up making eve seem impenetrable again.

I suppose it's a lot like booting up Photoshop or Autocad for the first time (which I do teach to students on occasion). I usually start the classes by saying that it seems overwhelming, all those functions. There is an urge to poke at them all, which usually ends up with you making a hash of things or burning out. The way the need to approach it is to set a goal, decide what it is they want to change or alter and then just find and focus in on the functions that will do that. It takes effort to block out all the other icons and potentialities.

I would say a case could be made for CCP employing professional group leaders (outreach) to get newbro in fleets and doing stuff. Regular rookie system fleet form ups and the like. It may seem daft for other games but in eve it could be a hand up. Setting up eve voice should be a priority.

$68.6m revenue; $11m pre-tax profit for 2014.

Where on earth did you get that silly idea from, and what does it have to do with anything?