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Would it be possible for CCP to make Eve Online free to play?

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#41 - 2015-09-06 10:09:43 UTC
I have long thought the trial should be unlimited duration f2p, it is plenty restrictive. But once you upgrade to a sub, that's it. No more f2p on that account.

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Snagletooth Johnson
Snagle Material Services
CAStabouts
#42 - 2015-09-06 10:13:34 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
In order for the game to survive as 'free to play', it will become 'pay to win'. Which will kill it.


Goons already won Eve. so there's no win to pay for
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#43 - 2015-09-06 10:33:40 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
I have long thought the trial should be unlimited duration f2p, it is plenty restrictive. But once you upgrade to a sub, that's it. No more f2p on that account.

Multiboxers online. I could run a bunch of clients from my computers, and so would everyone else. And before you say IP restrictions, no thats simple to get around. EVE would just suck, and for what? CCP would need to shuffle people around just to manage tech support which will suffer greatly. Just so some bored f2p kids can cause trouble? Nnnnnope. A month is plenty, and if it's not they can try again.

I'm in it for the money

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Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#44 - 2015-09-06 10:39:50 UTC
Webvan wrote:
CCP would need to shuffle people around just to manage tech support which will suffer greatly.

EVE's customer support already suffers greatly. mostly due to some GMs not doing their job properly.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#45 - 2015-09-06 10:59:44 UTC
Liafcipe9000 wrote:
Webvan wrote:
CCP would need to shuffle people around just to manage tech support which will suffer greatly.

EVE's customer support already suffers greatly. mostly due to some GMs not doing their job properly.

Maybe so, but think of it x10. I had a sub to a game that went f2p. Before, it was about a 20m wait. After, it became 2hrs+
CCP cant drop support to potential players that might one day maybe start a sub, so there goes staffing into support rather than on othert hings like development funding.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Avvy
Doomheim
#46 - 2015-09-06 11:04:46 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
I'm trying to imagine what would happen to the community.... so many ways it could go. Would be cool to see a ton of people in space though.



There are quite a few that will only play F2P or B2P. a lot of the F2P crowd will likely be kids. Although as the game is I doubt many of those will stay anyway.
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#47 - 2015-09-06 11:12:45 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Liafcipe9000 wrote:
Webvan wrote:
CCP would need to shuffle people around just to manage tech support which will suffer greatly.

EVE's customer support already suffers greatly. mostly due to some GMs not doing their job properly.

Maybe so, but think of it x10. I had a sub to a game that went f2p. Before, it was about a 20m wait. After, it became 2hrs+
CCP cant drop support to potential players that might one day maybe start a sub, so there goes staffing into support rather than on othert hings like development funding.

good point.
Tiberius Heth
Doomheim
#48 - 2015-09-06 11:34:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiberius Heth
Name one F2P game that isn't completely moronic due to p2W and/or an influx of hilarious shitclowns and full of 12 yearolds.
Avvy
Doomheim
#49 - 2015-09-06 11:39:43 UTC
I don't think you should cater for free to play players anyway.

If I play a F2P game, it's because of the game not because it F2P. Same goes for B2P games.

Why do people ask for games to be F2P, because they don't want to spend any money on it, which means they're unlikely to spend anything in the in-game shop which F2P games rely on.

Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#50 - 2015-09-06 11:40:11 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
I have long thought the trial should be unlimited duration f2p, it is plenty restrictive. But once you upgrade to a sub, that's it. No more f2p on that account.

Multiboxers online. I could run a bunch of clients from my computers, and so would everyone else. And before you say IP restrictions, no thats simple to get around. EVE would just suck, and for what? CCP would need to shuffle people around just to manage tech support which will suffer greatly. Just so some bored f2p kids can cause trouble? Nnnnnope. A month is plenty, and if it's not they can try again.


The people who will multibox already multibox.

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WhyTry1
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#51 - 2015-09-06 11:46:13 UTC
usually free to play means more expensive to play because you end up.paying for lots of items. tbh no one will be playing soon anyway
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#52 - 2015-09-06 11:59:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Val'Dore wrote:
The people who will multibox already multibox.

I would multibox if I didn't have to pay to keep the extra accounts active.

Tiberius Heth wrote:
Name one F2P game that isn't completely moronic due to p2W and/or an influx of hilarious shitclowns and full of 12 yearolds.

Weell… There's Cookie Clicker — it's completely moronic due to radically different reasons. P
Kiandoshia
Likely Suspects
RAZOR Alliance
#53 - 2015-09-06 12:08:20 UTC
Liafcipe9000 wrote:
Kiandoshia wrote:
Eve is free to play.

Am I doing it right?

considering all options of isk income, you are in fact doing it right. Blink


Oh I was refering to the narrow mindedness of the idea.
Kiandoshia
Likely Suspects
RAZOR Alliance
#54 - 2015-09-06 12:14:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiandoshia
Verstal wrote:


CCP makes no money off these people at this point never will.









It's amazing how often people seem to think that selling PLEX doesn't make CCP any money. A PLEX is game time. 30 days of it. For a PLEX to exist, someone has had to pay real money to CCP. A PLEX only shows up when somebody pays CCP. They don't get magically created when someone decides to dump ISK into them and buying them does not remove ISK from the game either.

-E- Actually it does remove ISK from the game but so does every market transaction.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#55 - 2015-09-06 12:20:00 UTC
Your friends don't sound particularly sophisticated, even if they are "great gamers". I'd suggest getting new ones.

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Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#56 - 2015-09-06 13:05:09 UTC
Kiandoshia wrote:
Verstal wrote:
CCP makes no money off these people at this point never will.


It's amazing how often people seem to think that selling PLEX doesn't make CCP any money. A PLEX is game time. 30 days of it. For a PLEX to exist, someone has had to pay real money to CCP. A PLEX only shows up when somebody pays CCP. They don't get magically created when someone decides to dump ISK into them and buying them does not remove ISK from the game either.

-E- Actually it does remove ISK from the game but so does every market transaction.

actually, most of the ISK goes to a player while a small bit of it goes to a black hole known as broker or whatever.
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#57 - 2015-09-06 13:06:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Liafcipe9000
Tiberius Heth wrote:
Name one F2P game that isn't completely moronic due to p2W and/or an influx of hilarious shitclowns and full of 12 yearolds.

Warframe.

I've so far only seen one thread on the subreddit(granted I don't browse the forums because :effort:) complaining about the lack of toxic, 12-year-old childish behaviour.

And premium currency can be obtained with effort rather than RL ISK.
Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
#58 - 2015-09-06 13:23:46 UTC
EVE should have a space fight simulator at NPC stations which lets player just do fights.

Effectively be a virtual battleground in a virtual space environment.

It's how these MOBA started, they were battlegrounds within other games.

And it shows what players really want, balanced PvP, in a structured environment.

Like LoL etc.

EVE could do it by having them as training simulators for pilots, plus it would let players try out different ships without losing them.

More importantly though it would let new players hop right into fighting in space without needing skills or a big pile of ISK.

And perhaps it might stop people asking for making EVE free to play, which from my experience, turns games into crap.

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Tiberius Heth
Doomheim
#59 - 2015-09-06 13:30:35 UTC
Hir Miriel wrote:
EVE should have a space fight simulator at NPC stations which lets player just do fights.

Effectively be a virtual battleground in a virtual space environment.

It's how these MOBA started, they were battlegrounds within other games.

And it shows what players really want, balanced PvP, in a structured environment.

Like LoL etc.

EVE could do it by having them as training simulators for pilots, plus it would let players try out different ships without losing them.

More importantly though it would let new players hop right into fighting in space without needing skills or a big pile of ISK.

And perhaps it might stop people asking for making EVE free to play, which from my experience, turns games into crap.

No, no instancing, no fake fights, no zero cost/non-risk combat.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#60 - 2015-09-06 14:05:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Hir Miriel wrote:
EVE should have a space fight simulator at NPC stations which lets player just do fights.

Effectively be a virtual battleground in a virtual space environment.

It's how these MOBA started, they were battlegrounds within other games.
RvB would like a word, they've been doing essentially this for years, without having to use a separate environment.

The whole point of the sandbox is that if you want something such as you suggest, then it is up to you to make it happen, preferably without asking the devs to do it for you.

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And it shows what players really want, balanced PvP, in a structured environment.

Like LoL etc.

EVE could do it by having them as training simulators for pilots, plus it would let players try out different ships without losing them.
If that's what people want, why are they playing Eve? What you're suggesting is no risk, no loss PvP, something that is diametrically opposed to the whole ethos and premise of Eve.

There are numerous games that offer that type of gameplay, this is not one of them, nor should it be.

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More importantly though it would let new players hop right into fighting in space without needing skills or a big pile of ISK.
SP and isk aren't the primary barrier that newbies face; a few hours training gives a newbie combat effectiveness in terms of what modules they can use, the career agents hand out enough isk to fund several frigates and destroyers to destroy in the pursuit of knowledge. Their primary barrier is lack of knowledge about the game and its mechanics, that comes with experience and by learning from others, Eve is very much a social game in that respect.

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And perhaps it might stop people asking for making EVE free to play, which from my experience, turns games into crap.
Agreed F2P does turn games into crap, I don't think you'll find many dissenters tbh.

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