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Collective petition about fozziesov

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#241 - 2015-08-03 12:24:17 UTC
Crystalline Entity wrote:
As corporation recruiter for Mortum Ravagers I have to say.

lol nerds.. come to lowsec and fight like real men.


your killboard says you have been fighting in null.... Ugh

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Crystalline Entity
Black Dragon PHP
#242 - 2015-08-03 12:36:54 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Crystalline Entity wrote:
As corporation recruiter for Mortum Ravagers I have to say.

lol nerds.. come to lowsec and fight like real men.


your killboard says you have been fighting in null.... Ugh


yeah we roam there occasionally tbh, merlin roams ftw!
Billy Bojangle
Doomheim
#243 - 2015-08-03 12:38:00 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
They'll be fine because the hordes from highsec only care to gun for us


How unfortunate.
Malus Maricadie
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#244 - 2015-08-03 12:51:51 UTC
they need to **** can fozzie, what fun is a game that you don't have to earn your accomplishments. So now for all of us that put the time and work into grinding standings, Sov and training cap lvl ships turns out to be just a waste of time. Sadly world of ships is more like eve was in the good old days before fozzie screwed it up!!!!
Akballah Kassan
Flames Of Chaos
Great Wildlands Conservation Society
#245 - 2015-08-03 12:55:55 UTC
Malus Maricadie wrote:
they need to **** can fozzie, what fun is a game that you don't have to earn your accomplishments. So now for all of us that put the time and work into grinding standings, Sov and training cap lvl ships turns out to be just a waste of time. Sadly world of ships is more like eve was in the good old days before fozzie screwed it up!!!!
You've only yourself to blame for not using Capital ships you've trained for. Nobody forces you to stay docked.
Nashall Khan
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#246 - 2015-08-03 13:38:04 UTC
well...

I want the command node number decreased and/or want an automatic win on uncontested timers.
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#247 - 2015-08-03 14:24:03 UTC
1). CCP obviously doesn't care. Or they wouldn't have done it.

2). I have no doubt they will not fix this.

3). I've been watching all my favorite ships get nerfed into junk for 2 years now. Complain and people call you names and tell you to adapt.

I still like EVE...but am well past the point of caring now if it simply dies off. I've gone from 9 accounts down to 2 all were paid for with cash. I laugh at the emails I get asking me to come back with these old accounts. 2 accounts are ok for me for now. Maybe some day, things will go back the other way. I really hope so....
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#248 - 2015-08-03 14:27:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Sonya Corvinus
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:

Did you really just suggest we stick new players in ships orbiting laser nodes?

What the hell is wrong with you?

Do you actually want to keep new players in this game?


Yes. yes I did. I did nothing but scout trading routes for a null alliance after two weeks from starting. The excitement of being part of something that massive was the only thing that kept me in the game.

What would you rather them do? Get 50 mil in thank you ISK for doing that (a stupidly big amount for a week old player), while chatting with experienced vets learning about the game, or AFK mine in a venture while watching netflix and end up quitting?

Have you played EVE before?

Also, what's keeping you from having an alt orbit that node while alt-tabbed? I have two alts doing similar things 100% of the time I'm playing.
UAxDEATH
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
#249 - 2015-08-03 14:37:27 UTC  |  Edited by: UAxDEATH
More alliance leaders signed off on that petition Those who sign it, and I expect more will sign it. Thank you for your support.
Pah Cova
Made in Portugal S.A.
#250 - 2015-08-03 14:41:05 UTC
If people really care about what they are saying, is to easy to show them that they are wrong and the players dosent want:

1 - This new sov
2 - Capital nerfs
3 - Ship rebalance all the time
4 - Skins and clothes

For that you can just simply make 2 things.
1 - Retreat to low sec and disconnect all the toons and dont pay the subscription or dont buy the plex.
2 - Create new toons for free until they give players what players want.

Its very simple indeed. with new toons you can always make some rookie pvp in low and get some fun.

Dont bother with the systems that you are lefting behind, you can always back there, whoever take sov there, cant hold the sov for too long or if they are atacked.
I assume i will do it with you despite i´m in hs and low if you all choose to do it.
Billy Bojangle
Doomheim
#251 - 2015-08-03 14:57:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Billy Bojangle
Yes, the real "protest," here would be throwing one's sov in the dumpster and doing something else until such time as CCP took notice, but you will observe that none of the whinging chaps here are interested in that. They've invested much time and effort into sov ala dominion, so I can't say that I blame them; however, nobody is going to take notice of the forum petition when nullsec looks almost identical to the empires that existed prior to it's rollout.

Also, "I don't like it, because it's not fun," is a really ironic argument coming from coalitions of English and Russian speakers who literally carved their empires out by making the game as unfun as possible for their enemies. That's always been a key factor in sov warfare and always will be. The only major difference now is who has the upper hand.

I don't know what's more amusing here: The fact that the game's largest coalitions feel the need to bleet about how un-fun it is to retain control over vast swathes of space or the fact that not terribly many years ago those in control of said coalitions would have been thrilled at this chance to troll the **** out of their larger enemies.
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#252 - 2015-08-03 15:02:47 UTC
I don't generally fly in nullsec but it does still seem like the null-sec community are still bored ****less and are using a campaign of 'harassment' (Note this is the OPs description of the activity.) on the high sec freight routes. When this will end I have no idea. It doesn't personally affect me either but it does, like 'FozzieSov', apparently **** off a lot of people as well.

Pot calling the kettle black is the shortened version of the above comment.

There seems to be a fascination with increased ship speed as well for quite a while. Some of the incursion communities have embraced this fully forsaking tank for vastly increased warp speed. The mind boggles......... . I get the lore implication in that we are heading to an end game where, probably alliances, in null-sec will be able to build there own jump gates to explore new regions of space. But it does seem like the speed thing has gone a little to far now.

I remember a long time ago there were ideas thrown about to encourage more pilots to populate null-sec via systems with special environmental effects to give them a boost or some kind of protection from just having their skulls smashed against a brick wall. I'm not sure if the new system will enable this to happen or not ?

Altaen
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#253 - 2015-08-03 15:12:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Altaen
Active PVP Pilots Per System Report for those that signed this petition

HARD Alliance - 2.5
Brothers of Tangra - 0.45
Synergy of Steel - 5.5
Triumvirate. - 6.2
SOLAR Fleet - 0.97
Dream Fleet - 0.66
Soviet-Union - 1.8
Infinity Space. - 17
Advent of Fate - 12.4
Legion of xXDEATHXx - 2.6
The Afterlife. - 5.8
Shadow of xXDEATHXx - 0.5
Gentlemen's.Club - 3.4
The Blood Covenant - 3.9
RAZOR - 10.5

For comparison sake, GSF, by all accounts one of the most organized and efficient alliances in EVE, has 14.5 (Was 17 a few days ago, either they picked up sov or lost some active PVP pilots).

Infinity Space. is a huge outlier here. A quick review suggests that they are closely tied to xXDEATHXx and likely felt some pressure to add a number to the list for their masters.
Other than them, these numbers are pathetic, and it's no wonder you don't like the new system, it was designed for you.

This is occupancy-based sov. Occupy or let it fall.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#254 - 2015-08-03 15:16:19 UTC
Altaen wrote:
Active PVP Pilots Per System Report for those that signed this petition

HARD Alliance - 2.5
Brothers of Tangra - 0.45
Synergy of Steel - 5.5
Triumvirate. - 6.2
SOLAR Fleet - 0.97
Dream Fleet - 0.66
Soviet-Union - 1.8
Infinity Space. - 17
Advent of Fate - 12.4
Legion of xXDEATHXx - 2.6
The Afterlife. - 5.8
Shadow of xXDEATHXx - 0.5
Gentlemen's.Club - 3.4
The Blood Covenant - 3.9
RAZOR - 10.5

For comparison sake, GSF, by all accounts one of the most organized and efficient alliances in EVE, has 14.5 (Was 17 a few days ago, either they picked up sov or lost some active PVP pilots).

Infinity Space. is a huge outlier here. A quick review suggests that they are closely tied to xXDEATHXx and likely felt some pressure to add a number to the list for their masters.
Other than them, these numbers are pathetic, and it's no wonder you don't like the new system, it was designed for you.

This is occupancy-based sov. Occupy or let it fall.


Totally not empty quoting.

Nosir.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#255 - 2015-08-03 15:29:29 UTC
Billy Bojangle wrote:
Yes, the real "protest," here would be throwing one's sov in the dumpster and doing something else until such time as CCP took notice, but you will observe that none of the whinging chaps here are interested in that. They've invested much time and effort into sov ala dominion, so I can't say that I blame them; however, nobody is going to take notice of the forum petition when nullsec looks almost identical to the empires that existed prior to it's rollout.

Also, "I don't like it, because it's not fun," is a really ironic argument coming from coalitions of English and Russian speakers who literally carved their empires out by making the game as unfun as possible for their enemies. That's always been a key factor in sov warfare and always will be. The only major difference now is who has the upper hand.

I don't know what's more amusing here: The fact that the game's largest coalitions feel the need to bleet about how un-fun it is to retain control over vast swathes of space or the fact that not terribly many years ago those in control of said coalitions would have been thrilled at this chance to troll the **** out of their larger enemies.


There is a difference between when players make decisions (tactical and strategic) to try an bore their enemy to death vs. CCP making the gaming deathly boring....

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Sion Kumitomo
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#256 - 2015-08-03 15:32:28 UTC
I agree with the broad sentiments outlined by UAxDeath here.

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Billy Bojangle
Doomheim
#257 - 2015-08-03 15:42:20 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:

There is a difference between when players make decisions (tactical and strategic) to try an bore their enemy to death vs. CCP making the gaming deathly boring....


Watching a sov structure melt under the combined firepower of a well-endowed super fleet is objectively less involved, by number of players sat at the keyboard doing something, than chasing troll ceptors. It's the slug matches that occur in between that we log in for. There's really no way to make provoking a sov. battle "fun, " because it's always going to be about setting up a timer and waiting for the actual fun bit later.

This whole argument around how fun entosis jazz isn't does not hold water. The lack of fun comes from the unwillingness of players to fight and that doesn't come from their space being alight 23/7, it comes from the entrenched entitlement of bloc leadership who don't want people having fun, they just want to retain or expand their space holdings.
Icycle
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#258 - 2015-08-03 16:03:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Icycle
I dont see the problem with what you call a "troll ceptor"
I mean you cant fit a Tech II entosis on a ceptor. So this is out of the question.

You can however fit a Tech I into a ceptor. But ceptor can only entosis within 25km.
So its really easy to deal what you call a "troll ceptor".
1- You can damp them and they will have to start the process again from scratch. Very easy.
2- ECM them and they will have to start the process again from scratch. Very easy.
3- Kill it. Get a fast ship and scram. The end. Easy.
4- You can scram it with an arazu. The end. Very Easy.
5- Also it cannot warp so all it can do is try and out run you. Get a fast ship and hunt it down. Easy.

This does not have to be as hard as quantum mechanics. Dont over think it.
Or are you asking for it to be sitting still so that you can always kill it just like you would with a cheap cyno? If so, you are not suppose to be able to kill everything you happen to see. The target is suppose to have a chance of getting out.
Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#259 - 2015-08-03 16:37:20 UTC
Nituspar wrote:
....the second you let your indexes slip.


So, you are not utilizing the system and in fozziesov when you dont use a system it becomes difficult to hold.

Thank you for the eloquent definition of, "working as intended".

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Fatal pewpew
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#260 - 2015-08-03 16:39:11 UTC
I think we need to see further balance changes.

Entities like MOA still cant take sov and that makes me sad.