EVE General Discussion

because holding sov isn't a priority for the small guys. content generation is.



supers were never the problem. alliances with thousands and thousands of members refusing to take the risk of shrinking and setting neighbors to red has been the problem for years.

which is why major alliances are petitioning against the recent changes

I don't disagree with any of this.

It does confirm that the major alliances are bears though.

Heh, people bring overwhelming numbers and can't figure out why people don't stick around to fight. Mind boggling.

If you call 40 Cerbs overwhelming numbers, I can't help but wonder why no one wants to fly with you. With the number of nerds we have around at any time, we'll usually have more than 40 in a fleet before a ping even goes out.
I do like how people can say "make some friends" out of one side of their mouth to new players, while basically telling others "you have too many friends, and need to leave most of them at home" out of the other.

You can call us by whatever name you wish. It doesn't change the fact that we'll just be over here, playing other games with this same group of friends, until CCP decides to unfuck their game.
My point is, we've been here for years. We're not going anywhere. You would think people would have accepted this by now, and realized that any attempt to break us apart is going to result in unsubs, not a broken coalition and more space fights for everyone. That being said, if you want to see conflict, give us a reason to wake the sleeping giant and lumber this big ass behemoth across the universe. "Gudfites" is not a reason. However, something like mobile and depleting high value resources might be.
Initiative have always been a special (and kinda weird) case. I am positive that no matter how badly CCP ***** the bed on sov mechanics, they'll find a way to pick up conflict out of it. The rest of us just can't be arsed to put in that kind of effort without a tangible reason to do so.

Yeah when you bring 40 to fight 3 it's overwhelming numbers. Did you fail math or just skip school completely?

Impressive, but also inversly part of the problem.

The "F1 monkey" phenomenon is real.
You know that as much as I do.

As has been your strategy of assimilation and incorporation, you were wise to recruit them.
But nonetheless, these are players who just want to be on the winning side, and be ordered around.
They side with a "winner", cos it makes them feel like a "winner".
Again, you know this as much as I do.

Basically WoW mentality players, with nothing else to offer, and whom produce nothing unless directed to do so.
Passive, useless meat riding on your coat-tail, and all the more demanding for you/someone to lead them.

I sympathise and commiserate with how hard it must be to placate them.
Im sure most of you would rather push them out of an airlock and be done with it.

Perhaps SMA should invade Initiative. It would provide some clarity in this discussion.

There's nothing weird about INIT at all. Any Imperium alliance could do the same thing if they made the same choices.

If someone chooses to sit and do nothing, yea, they'll find the game becomes boring pretty quickly.

Understood and granted.

I dont envy your position(cept maybe a little), just reminding you and everyone else concerned about what the mass of players are.
F1 monkey, join the winner, and flippant riders to success.

I know how to follow orders (military background), but I also know the difference from that to someone who makes a difference.

In a sandbox, as we are, change is enacted by inspired leaders, and followed by F1 chimps.

Goon/Imperium conduct is exemplary in this regard towards constituents, and a great credit.
But for not one moment do I believe that you can stand the mass of morons you have to deal with.
That, if anything, is your organisations single greatest achievement.
The whine, lame politics and complaint...
Id be ripping heads off, right and left :D

GL and HF. Was, and hopefully will be in future, a pleasure.