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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#661 - 2015-08-10 16:36:57 UTC
Akballah Kassan wrote:
After several weeks of playing around with fozziesov the only changes I honestly think needed are -

Entosis on cruiser or bigger hull and entosis burns out if you leave the area without completing a cycle.

10 nodes spawned throughout a constellation to contest if system becomes vulnerable. A new one spawns to replace any captured node.

System status reset after a certain time if attackers don't complete the job. (say 48 hours)

That is it TBH.

The mechanics haven't really been tested beyond 'trolling' so far and I think the principle behind them is sound enough.


I really don't see a need for a reset if it never got attacked. I mean, if it got to that point, the it was never defended either. What's stopping the owner from just fanning out through the constellation and capping 10 nodes at the same time if there is no one attacking it anyway?

Right now, if you can't cap 10 nodes ini a "trolled" system after the spawn rate has gone up to generate a bunch of nodes, you should probably let it go because you obviously can't defend this sov anyway.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#662 - 2015-08-10 16:42:25 UTC
Jayne Fillon wrote:
What I'm looking for is your experienced with fozziesov so far -
Between having my fingers in my ears and singing,"LA LA LA"', not much.

Mr Epeen Cool
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#663 - 2015-08-10 16:43:56 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
It's not going to happen. We're happy to sit here making isk hand over fist while the game hemorrhages subs. It's not up to us to fix **** mechanics and if CCP decide to ignore the majority stating that these mechanics suck (unlikely) that's not our problem. I'm not going to choose to play in a way I don't like just because CCP can't figure out how to drive conflict.


I'm not sure why you would think that. I quit null because of how boring it is, ISK be damned.

If you're putting making ISK over having fun and actually enjoying the game, you're wasting your time in EVE, and you're the exact problem with the game ATM.

Stop blaming CCP for you causing stagnation and a lack of content.

Amusingly enough, watching the wallet tick up is more entertaining for a lot of people than you would like to believe. The most commonly asked question I get from new players? "What's the best way to make money out here, and which ship is best for it?" Another amusing point: our most populous squad and Jabber channel are those dialed into what? Can you guess? I know you can. Here's a hint: it isn't looking for fights. This is becoming even more true, now that "Aegis Sov" is rapidly squashing the desire of most line members to go on fleets, since there's a good chance it will end with a half hour of node lasering.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#664 - 2015-08-10 17:01:26 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
To be honest, I pay with PLEX and I don't even remotely care about the continued existence of this game.

This doesn't mean CCP get any less money. It simply means they don't get your money, which, if you really think about it, means they're less obligated to make you happy.
I get that, my point was that because I'm not pouring cash into the game, it will have less impact on me if the game implodes than if it were something I were paying for directly.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#665 - 2015-08-10 17:07:51 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Amusingly enough, watching the wallet tick up is more entertaining for a lot of people than you would like to believe. The most commonly asked question I get from new players? "What's the best way to make money out here, and which ship is best for it?" Another amusing point: our most populous squad and Jabber channel are those dialed into what? Can you guess? I know you can. Here's a hint: it isn't looking for fights. This is becoming even more true, now that "Aegis Sov" is rapidly squashing the desire of most line members to go on fleets, since there's a good chance it will end with a half hour of node lasering.

Nullbears.

Re-nerf anoms and ihubs

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#666 - 2015-08-10 17:16:13 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:

Amusingly enough, watching the wallet tick up is more entertaining for a lot of people than you would like to believe. The most commonly asked question I get from new players? "What's the best way to make money out here, and which ship is best for it?" Another amusing point: our most populous squad and Jabber channel are those dialed into what? Can you guess? I know you can. Here's a hint: it isn't looking for fights. This is becoming even more true, now that "Aegis Sov" is rapidly squashing the desire of most line members to go on fleets, since there's a good chance it will end with a half hour of node lasering.


Oh, I understand about ISK. I used to live in null getting 25 mil ticks. It got old very quickly. AFK ratters are to null what afk miners are to high sec.

Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#667 - 2015-08-10 17:23:19 UTC
Antylus Tyrell wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
]It's not about effort, it's nearly no effort to go and damp a frigate, it's that it's insanely boring. In a game designed around the idea of conflict a system which reduces conflict is bad.



Lucas, you have said this about 100 times in this thread already, we all get that you think it is boring. Go move to a wormhole or highsec if you don't like it. The community does not agree with you, these changes are going to be great for the game. And tears from the large empires as they slowly crumbled were expected.


Nothing is crumbling. In fact, nothing is happening. It's ******* summer and Eve is more boring than it has ever been.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#668 - 2015-08-10 17:42:09 UTC
Kiandoshia wrote:
Antylus Tyrell wrote:

And tears from the large empires as they slowly crumbled were expected.

Nothing is crumbling. In fact, nothing is happening. It's ******* summer and Eve is more boring than it has ever been.

Nah, a bunch of empires crumbled I'm sure, just that in the east your empires can have their command nodes untouched for 2 weeks as no one cares

but here in the northwest moa ended our 0.0 dream

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#669 - 2015-08-10 17:46:35 UTC
Stuff was crumbling a couple of months ago. Maybe CCP should announce another sov revamp every 4-6 months, so we get to play a neverending game of musical solarsystems.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#670 - 2015-08-10 18:13:33 UTC
Kiandoshia wrote:
Stuff was crumbling a couple of months ago. Maybe CCP should announce another sov revamp every 4-6 months, so we get to play a neverending game of musical solarsystems.

I am pretty sure that's what Aegis would be doing, if people actually cared enough about sov to deal with this new round of...enhancements.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#671 - 2015-08-10 19:32:03 UTC
Akballah Kassan wrote:
After several weeks of playing around with fozziesov the only changes I honestly think needed are -

Entosis on cruiser or bigger hull and entosis burns out if you leave the area without completing a cycle.

10 nodes spawned throughout a constellation to contest if system becomes vulnerable. A new one spawns to replace any captured node.

System status reset after a certain time if attackers don't complete the job. (say 48 hours)

That is it TBH.

The mechanics haven't really been tested beyond 'trolling' so far and I think the principle behind them is sound enough.
I would readily agree with all of this.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#672 - 2015-08-10 19:37:13 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
It's not going to happen. We're happy to sit here making isk hand over fist while the game hemorrhages subs. It's not up to us to fix **** mechanics and if CCP decide to ignore the majority stating that these mechanics suck (unlikely) that's not our problem. I'm not going to choose to play in a way I don't like just because CCP can't figure out how to drive conflict.
I'm not sure why you would think that. I quit null because of how boring it is, ISK be damned.

If you're putting making ISK over having fun and actually enjoying the game, you're wasting your time in EVE, and you're the exact problem with the game ATM.

Stop blaming CCP for you causing stagnation and a lack of content.
I'm not putting making isk over having fun, I have fun doing things that make isk. Quite honestly, very little of what I do to make isk is even tied to null these days, since highsec trading is so much more scalable when you have a lot of isk floating about. But I know that the null alliances as a whole will readily rat until the end of time and get their conflict needs through roams, NPSI fleets and ganks, rather than give up what they have to make up for the mechanics being broken. The great thing about EVE is you don;t need to be tied to only one style of play.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#673 - 2015-08-10 19:43:50 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
I'm not putting making isk over having fun, I have fun doing things that make isk. Quite honestly, very little of what I do to make isk is even tied to null these days, since highsec trading is so much more scalable when you have a lot of isk floating about. But I know that the null alliances as a whole will readily rat until the end of time and get their conflict needs through roams, NPSI fleets and ganks, rather than give up what they have to make up for the mechanics being broken. The great thing about EVE is you don;t need to be tied to only one style of play.


Having to *work* to hold player owned space that you voluntarily chose to live in isn't a broken mechanic. It's a fix to the broken mechanic of sov null being the area of EVE that gives the most payout for the least amount of risk.

Just because living in space you voluntarily chose to own is now more difficult doesn't make a mechanic broken.
Salvos Rhoska
#674 - 2015-08-10 20:27:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Sov in a nutshell:

Blue/rent everybody around.
Non-aggress the rest.
Deny your own combat pilots any targets.
Blame CCP for lack of conflict.

Its not CCP you should blame, its your own leadership.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#675 - 2015-08-10 20:33:19 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
I'm not putting making isk over having fun, I have fun doing things that make isk. Quite honestly, very little of what I do to make isk is even tied to null these days, since highsec trading is so much more scalable when you have a lot of isk floating about. But I know that the null alliances as a whole will readily rat until the end of time and get their conflict needs through roams, NPSI fleets and ganks, rather than give up what they have to make up for the mechanics being broken. The great thing about EVE is you don;t need to be tied to only one style of play.


Having to *work* to hold player owned space that you voluntarily chose to live in isn't a broken mechanic. It's a fix to the broken mechanic of sov null being the area of EVE that gives the most payout for the least amount of risk.

Just because living in space you voluntarily chose to own is now more difficult doesn't make a mechanic broken.
It is when you consider their #1 goal was to make both attacking and defending sov entertaining for all. It's not entertaining, ergo it's broken.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Salvos Rhoska
#676 - 2015-08-10 20:38:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Lucas Kell wrote:
It is when you consider their #1 goal was to make both attacking and defending sov entertaining for all. It's not entertaining, ergo it's broken.


Fyi the dev blog has many other goals.

All of which underline in explanation that they are instituting a new paradigm into EVE, and that this is just the beginning.

Nor did this "break" anything.
If you want a fight, form up, ship out, and commit to an attack.
That has not changed.

It beggars the imagination when the largest coalition and power that is cant find or start a fight whenever it wants one.
No, thats wrong.
Its just outright implausible and ridiculous.

If you want a fight, go out and pick one.
Nobody is stopping you, least of all CCP.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#677 - 2015-08-10 20:44:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallowmere Rorschach
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
It is when you consider their #1 goal was to make both attacking and defending sov entertaining for all. It's not entertaining, ergo it's broken.


Fyi the dev blog has many other goals.

All of which underline in explanation that they are instituting a new paradigm into EVE, and that this is just the beginning.

Nor did this "break" anything.
If you want a fight, form up, ship out, and commit to an attack.
That has not changed.

They keep promising some carrot with all of this stick.
The taste of wood is getting rather old.

EDIT: ohhh, wait, I get it. Sov lasers are carrot, disguised as stick. We just have to, erm, rub off the paint or something?
Salvos Rhoska
#678 - 2015-08-10 20:49:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
They keep promising some carrot with all of this stick.
The taste of wood is getting rather old.

EDIT: ohhh, wait, I get it. Sov lasers are carrot, disguised as stick. We just have to, erm, rub off the paint or something?

What stick?

Are tresspassing interceptors shafting you that hard?

Jesus, man.

First world problems and entitlement.

Whatever happened to HTFU and adapt?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#679 - 2015-08-10 20:53:49 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
They keep promising some carrot with all of this stick.
The taste of wood is getting rather old.

EDIT: ohhh, wait, I get it. Sov lasers are carrot, disguised as stick. We just have to, erm, rub off the paint or something?

What stick?

Are tresspassing interceptors shafting you that hard?

Jesus, man.

Nope. The laser/node mechanics themselves are. In all seriousness, do you have any firsthand experience with it?
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#680 - 2015-08-10 21:07:40 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
It is when you consider their #1 goal was to make both attacking and defending sov entertaining for all. It's not entertaining, ergo it's broken.


Can you quote where that was the goal?

The goal IMO was to make it so that you had to *think* about where you live, and that it took effort to hold your space.

The #1 goal was to make EVE seem big again.

Also, it is HIGHLY entertaining.