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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#601 - 2015-08-09 22:31:43 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
CCP know that what they've put in doesn't do what they wanted it to do and they'll act accordingly.
I thought they declared op success already...
P probably. Though they've made such a mess of the whole system and so shockingly missed the goals they set that I don't know how they'd even pass it off as a success with a straight face.


I like to imagine it goes something like this:

a) "Have the alliances stopped trying to defend systems they don't use"?
b) "No."
a) "Hmm. Are the alliances pissed about trying to defend systems they don't use"?
b) "Yes."
a) "Op success! Good job, everybody. They'll either figure out the new Aegis paradigm, or burn themselves out while banging their head against the wall over and over and over."
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#602 - 2015-08-09 22:33:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Yes!! Op success!!

Now for highsec's turn at magiclasers


Anyway where's moa with all their bragging, did something happen, I thought they were also at the op success stage

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#603 - 2015-08-10 06:46:07 UTC
Eli Stan wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
CCP know that what they've put in doesn't do what they wanted it to do and they'll act accordingly.
I thought they declared op success already...
P probably. Though they've made such a mess of the whole system and so shockingly missed the goals they set that I don't know how they'd even pass it off as a success with a straight face.


I like to imagine it goes something like this:

a) "Have the alliances stopped trying to defend systems they don't use"?
b) "No."
a) "Hmm. Are the alliances pissed about trying to defend systems they don't use"?
b) "Yes."
a) "Op success! Good job, everybody. They'll either figure out the new Aegis paradigm, or burn themselves out while banging their head against the wall over and over and over."
Except of course the part where alliances aren't pissed by defending systems they don't used, they're bored by defending systems the DO use. How long have you been in this thread and you still don't know what the issue is?

The #1 goal of fozziesov was to make the act of fighting over sov entertaining for all. It's not, therefore it failed. Very few people actually want to use the system because it's s boring, hence people using it the absolute bare minimum they need to.

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Loneball
PlexForce07
#604 - 2015-08-10 06:53:43 UTC
Going to be pretty sweet when everyone realizes this is the calm before the storm.

People don't know what to expect yet. Everyone's sitting around waiting for someone to figure out how/what to do so they can claim that's what they were doing/saying all along.

Once a great person comes along, you sheep will follow suit and begin to experience the type of adrenaline fueled space conquests not seen since wolf 359.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#605 - 2015-08-10 06:54:21 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:

The #1 goal of fozziesov was to make the act of fighting over sov entertaining for all.


Citation needed.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#606 - 2015-08-10 07:02:34 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:

The #1 goal of fozziesov was to make the act of fighting over sov entertaining for all.
Citation needed.
Dev Blog.
Quote:
Goal #1: As much as possible, ensure that the process of fighting over a star system is enjoyable and fascinating for all the players involved

This goal forms the core of what we want to accomplish with Phase Two.

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#607 - 2015-08-10 07:32:18 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
they're bored by defending systems the DO use

"FozzieSov has made us actually have to expend effort to defend our systems!"

Yes, indeed, how dare they. Roll

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#608 - 2015-08-10 07:44:47 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
they're bored by defending systems the DO use

"FozzieSov has made us actually have to expend effort to defend our systems!"

Yes, indeed, how dare they. Roll
It's not about effort, it's nearly no effort to go and damp a frigate, it's that it's insanely boring. In a game designed around the idea of conflict a system which reduces conflict is bad.

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Antylus Tyrell
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#609 - 2015-08-10 08:12:55 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
]It's not about effort, it's nearly no effort to go and damp a frigate, it's that it's insanely boring. In a game designed around the idea of conflict a system which reduces conflict is bad.



Lucas, you have said this about 100 times in this thread already, we all get that you think it is boring. Go move to a wormhole or highsec if you don't like it. The community does not agree with you, these changes are going to be great for the game. And tears from the large empires as they slowly crumbled were expected.
Salvos Rhoska
#610 - 2015-08-10 08:13:45 UTC
Stands to reason CCP will fine tune changes eventually.

In the meantime you can attempt to create content by taking the fight to others and forcing them to defend.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#611 - 2015-08-10 08:40:13 UTC
Antylus Tyrell wrote:
The community does not agree with you, these changes are going to be great for the game. And tears from the large empires as they slowly crumbled were expected.

Op success, make sure ccp knows "the community" of GD loves it

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#612 - 2015-08-10 09:08:12 UTC
Antylus Tyrell wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
]It's not about effort, it's nearly no effort to go and damp a frigate, it's that it's insanely boring. In a game designed around the idea of conflict a system which reduces conflict is bad.
Lucas, you have said this about 100 times in this thread already, we all get that you think it is boring. Go move to a wormhole or highsec if you don't like it. The community does not agree with you, these changes are going to be great for the game. And tears from the large empires as they slowly crumbled were expected.
What thread are you reading? Clearly the community does agree with me. Even MOA getting a CTA to come and **** up these threads hasn't produced very much opposition to the fact that the new mechanics suck.

Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Stands to reason CCP will fine tune changes eventually.

In the meantime you can attempt to create content by taking the fight to others and forcing them to defend.
Translation "CCP can't design fun mechanics so ignore them and do what you needed to do for content under the old system". Seems like a waste of dev time if all they've managed to produce is a different reason for us to do what we did anyway.

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afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#613 - 2015-08-10 09:26:37 UTC
People keep saying it doesn't bring fights.

So I have a question: Is anyone with weight to throw around actually running a campaign to contest a middleweight (or above) alliances Sov?

What I see are a lot of people running about basically poking the fence with sticks/ringing the doorbell and running away, I'm not aware of anyone parking tanks on the lawn and laying siege to an area on a serious level. I may be wrong, which is why I am asking.
Salvos Rhoska
#614 - 2015-08-10 09:39:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Lucas Kell wrote:


Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Stands to reason CCP will fine tune changes eventually.

In the meantime you can attempt to create content by taking the fight to others and forcing them to defend.
Translation "CCP can't design fun mechanics so ignore them and do what you needed to do for content under the old system". Seems like a waste of dev time if all they've managed to produce is a different reason for us to do what we did anyway.


Well, yes. Thats one way to subjectively translate by adding your personal preference.
If I want a translator, Ill hire one.

My reading of the dev blog gives the strong impression of the direction CCP is taking through the stated numbered goals, and that this is just laying the groundwork for those.

Its a system that they can more directly fine tune and add onto/subtract from, than the previous one, and that is their stated intent in the explanations of the respective goals.

In the meantimetill they get around to that, yes, its pretty much business as usual.

If you want fights, form up, head out and commit.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#615 - 2015-08-10 09:39:47 UTC
afkalt wrote:
What I see are a lot of people running about basically poking the fence with sticks/ringing the doorbell and running away, I'm not aware of anyone parking tanks on the lawn and laying siege to an area on a serious level. I may be wrong, which is why I am asking.

You don't have to park tanks to lay siege

Just poke their fence and ring their doorbell with frigates repeatedly will get you better results

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#616 - 2015-08-10 09:44:29 UTC
afkalt wrote:
People keep saying it doesn't bring fights.

So I have a question: Is anyone with weight to throw around actually running a campaign to contest a middleweight (or above) alliances Sov?
No, because nobody with weight to throw around wants to fire mining lasers at structures. We'd rather fire mining lasers at rocks and afk rat while we gank noobs in highsec for kicks. Besides, with the jump changes a deployment means we have to leave our space with a skeleton defense and can't drop back so easily in an emergency, so the best option is simply not to deploy. These are all problems that were predetermined long before these mechanics went live.

afkalt wrote:
What I see are a lot of people running about basically poking the fence with sticks/ringing the doorbell and running away, I'm not aware of anyone parking tanks on the lawn and laying siege to an area on a serious level. I may be wrong, which is why I am asking.
That's pretty much the bulk of the the new system, yes.

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afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#617 - 2015-08-10 09:45:14 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
afkalt wrote:
What I see are a lot of people running about basically poking the fence with sticks/ringing the doorbell and running away, I'm not aware of anyone parking tanks on the lawn and laying siege to an area on a serious level. I may be wrong, which is why I am asking.

You don't have to park tanks to lay siege

Just poke their fence and ring their doorbell with frigates repeatedly will get you better results


Well you're managing just fine Blink

But my question was serious - is anyone actually meaningful of relevant contesting sov like they mean it?
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#618 - 2015-08-10 09:47:05 UTC
Jayne Fillon wrote:
I made my original post here but I thought it would be worthwhile to post this on the actual official forums. What I'm looking for is your experienced with fozziesov so far - not your opinions or feelings - but actual stories about what you've done with fozziesov to date. Good experiences, bad experiences, funny anecdotes.... please share them all. Thanks!

Original Post Below:

Hey everyone!

The CSM just got out of a meeting with CCP Seagull, the Executive Producer of Eve Online. Although the vast vast majority of what we discussed is obviously NDA, one of things that came out of the meeting is that CCP is actively looking to tweak fozziesov, and is willing to have that change based on actual player experiences and anecdotes. So, as the CSM, we need YOU to share your anecdotes about Fozziesov! We'll be collecting them and forwarding them to CCP Seagull herself, as well as other developers.


  • Has your small alliance been able to capture space for the first time ever?
  • Are you playing World of Warships while AFK capping 800 command nodes?
  • Has your corporation or alliance's playstyle been radically altered by fozziesov?


We want to know these things, both positive and negative, so that we have real player's opinions and experiences. This will help give the CSM the firepower we need to enact real change and make the sov system better and more enjoyable for everyone. If you have any questions, I'll do my best to answer in the comment section below despite the NDA.

A few extra tidbits: CCP doesn't like the term "fozziesov" which implies that this update has been a one man show. CCP Fozzie is the lead designer for Team 5-0, which is the team responsible for the sovereignty overhaul. There are 7 developers on Team 5-0, including CCP Mimic, CCP Punkturis, CCP Masterplan and CCP Lebowski. Anyway, this discussion is expected to continue into late august, and the CSM hopes to have the majority of sov's current pain points resolved by the next two patches. Help us make it happen!

Edit: If you're wondering, the preferred term is "Aegis Sov" P


when I check the map, ships destroyed last 24 hours, its too quiet... I see big fleets jumping out every day from goonhub, but they might just serve as taxi for their fedos

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Antylus Tyrell
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#619 - 2015-08-10 09:48:13 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
What thread are you reading? Clearly the community does agree with me. Even MOA getting a CTA to come and **** up these threads hasn't produced very much opposition to the fact that the new mechanics suck.



Lucas you do realize that every post made here by "Lucas Kell" is not actually a bunch of different people named lucas kell supporting your case. Its just one guy, you....

Stop wasting ccps time and get out there and defend your space. You could have repaired several nodes in the time you have taken here to make the same "its boring" post over and over.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#620 - 2015-08-10 09:48:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
You siege people by ringing their doorbell until they move out

But you don't move in, otherwise people will ring your doorbell until you move out

Antylus Tyrell wrote:
You could have repaired several nodes in the time you have taken here to make the same "its boring" post over and over.

What do you think we do while shooting repair lasers at nodes?

Also, what time are our structures not invulnerable

afkalt wrote:
But my question was serious - is anyone actually meaningful of relevant contesting sov like they mean it?

And I was serious.

They are, meaningful contesting is interceptors and the like

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?