EVE General Discussion

Fozzie Sov rocks!

The goal of getting players into null sec is working really well. New corporations are moving there in droves. Not just to section 8 housing in Pure Blind but elsewhere. High Sec corporations are making plans to move to null because they believe that if they have a few active members they can compete.

Goons hate it because it is a real threat to their power base... and because section 8 is a hot mess right now, half the guys in those corps are awoxers. One or two might be me. :P

IMO possession is 9 tenths of the law. If you can't defend your space because your also playing H1Z1 or Battleships you don't deserve it. Move back to High Sec to go AFK. Put Null Sec into the hands of the active players.

Long Live Fozzie Sov!

I love the new system. It works as intended and anyone who thinks otherwise did not understand what changes were going to take place.

most of the whining I hear is from people who are "used" to how things were and are upset because their playtime is getting "spoiled" by these changes. HTFU guys. The changes make you work to keep your sov, like it should be. Don't want it to be easy for someone to take your space, come up with a way (within the system) to defend your space.

If you're being "attacked" by a trollceptor and you're trying to shoot it or tackle it with another ceptor or something like that, you're doing it wrong. Break his lock, force him out of entosis range.

The new system forces people to think about how to best engage instead of throwing ship after ship at the enemy until they die and I don't think a lot of people like that because they are complacently lazy.

For my end, you're missing the point.
It's not work. It's not hard. It's pathetically boring.
I assure you, we are having no problem shrugging off, and laughing at any and all "attempts" at our space.
That's the damned problem. Nothing has changed, except now, we get the luxury of shooting the one poor sap who got stuck there with his Jesus laser on and couldn't run away, then sitting on our thumbs for thirty minutes while waiting for the timer to tick down.
If you think I am "whining" because "sov is now hard", you couldn't be more mistaken. Do not confuse tedium with difficulty.

Again, the problem is that nothing has changed, except that we have a mandatory thirty minute to one hour window of sitting around tacked on to the end of every defense fleet now.

This will not change until something is done to take the "runawaaaay" meta out back of the shed and put it down.

From reading over this thread it seems like the only people that like Aegis-sov are those who dont have/ dont want sov

Well said. If it weren't sad, it would be amusing to watch people be owned by their own anti-Goon or anti large group prejudices. It happens all the time, some change happens that invariably helps large groups like goons, and some are so naïve they CELEBRATE the change because "take that, goons!!".

It's not about winning sov or losing sov, it's about "this gameplay sucks, even if I'm winning".


I'm not a goon. I am in an alliance and I live in null (Wicked Creek). I'm mainly a PVEr, I don't hate pvp but I don't crave it either. But of the pvp I do like, epic fleet fights are tops. most of my pvp is defense type fleets.

Before, EVE had places for "low intensity/tactical warfare gameplay" (high sec wars, low sec and FW, low end wormholes and to some extent NPC null) and fewer places for "High Intensity/Strategic Level game play (Sov null and to some extent high end wormholes).

Now it's ALL low intensity warfare (even in wormhole space, which is more Farmville than anything else). When it comes to PVE, I am a 'soldier' type, not a 'gladiator' type, I don't give a flying flip about demonstrating 'skill' in a video game to some other solo gamer i'll never meet, I don't care for all the rushing around trying to gain advantage or running when you can win that is at the core of solo and small gang pvp in EVE. I like the epic big fleet slugfest where systems change hand and huge space structures exploded Death Star style.

At least in Dominion sov you occasionally got some of that (or at least a bleeding killmail you can look at years later and say "hey, I was there"). This 'skirmish sov' crap doesn't do it. The goals of aegis sov have had the side effect of sucking the epic feel clear out of null sec. If I wanted the pvp experience I'm getting right now, i'd have never left faction warfare.

I have the advantage of being a PVEr though, so ultimately for folks like me the sov system is just something that has to be endured for the sake of having space to go kill red Xs monopoly pieces in. I survived 2 years of pos spam sov and 6 years of Dominion, I can survive this awful new system too.
But the loss of the epic feel of null sec (replaced by FW 2.0, null sec addition) is felt as an actual loss.

CSM member created that topic and they want support - people provide it. Only if its "Oh my, that new sov is great" its support, but when we pointing things that dont work well from our side, from side of people actually holding sov, its whining?

Also, you dont even have balls to post from your main. Or if thats your main you should know that NPC corporations can't capture sov, so your posts here are pointless.

I gave my opinion. If you don't like it, keep whining some more.

I have three real characters and two forum alts I post with here, and I'm smart enough to know when to use alts. I'm sorry if that upsets you.

Given you're someone who hides in the biggest coalition and mindlessly easy living in EVE, it's hard for me to take you seriously. Again, fozziesov working as intended. Every time I hear someone in the great blue bear doughnut whining, it's working as intended.

Please allow me to translate the above from CFC Newspeak:

The remarkable increase in dynamism and activity resulting from the sov changes have made it difficult for us CFC to maintain an effort-free permanent stranglehold on space we don't actually occupy. We now have to work to maintain sov, and we absolutely hate it.

The bulk of our membership, who should be laboring in the belts and moons, are now pressed into F1 blob service against mobile and confounding enemies. Fozzie Sov must be "rethinked" so we can eliminate this costly and frustrating activity and get back to farming our membership.

I think the Aegis sov system has energized a portion of the player base, and I think it would be a mistake to quickly make changes (other than improving the experience) because the large blocs are "bored" shooting command nodes. Our group accidentally took Sov the other day, and I think once more players get a taste then there will be less trolling, and more conflict.

Let it go for a while - large groups can choke on their tears. The game is different now, and finding it boring to kill ships with Entosis mods is the least of a large groups' problems. Today more than ever there is little reason for multi-alliance coalitions to exist, and soon alliance infighting will cause splinters, and from the splinters ambition, and from the ambition new stronger smaller groups. I can hope anyways.


Here are some ideas that could improve the current experience:

1. It would be nice if the mails/notifications included the names of the attackers.
2. it would be nice if there was some form of record (killmail-like) that we can look at to see how many structures we have captured over time. Competitors love their trophies.
3. Some type of timer that starts despawning command nodes if nobody follows through after reinforcing. Maybe the timer pauses or resets once an attacker starts capturing command nodes.
4. Can play around with side-effects of an entosis link. Tether, speed, ship class requirements.
5. When a station enters freeport it could randomly jettison a percentage of the ships inside.

Thanks for collecting feedback.

The new system is great. Promote active living and superior tactics not afk ratting and blobbers.