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alpha36
Northern Freight Unlimited
Young Miners Christian Association
#421 - 2015-08-06 19:25:17 UTC
One of the cool things about EVE that has fallen by the wayside like many emergent things was the ability to 'blockade' and lockdown an area or station. Colloquially known as the hellcamp.

I feel like npc 0.0 is too safe and theres little to no risk involved these days. It used to be that if someone was in your space and up in your grill basing out of npc you could go in there with a freighter full of bubbles and camp that **** for 30 days until they die and give up, leave.

The interdiction nullified tech 3's kinda eased that strain because they could still undock a fleet and run around doing things. They still werent gonna do much sov stuff without dreads and supers so it was sort of ok.

The interdiction nullified interceptor is one of the worst changes in recent years given there vast utility and even now the ability to capture, reinforce and influence sov events. Coupled with npc 0.0 the trollceptor is just awful and unbalanced gameplay.

There needs to be a better way to sit on somebody who bases out of npc 0.0 and interceptors need to lose their nullification, or keep them nullified but they need to lose all combat and entosis viability. Thanks.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#422 - 2015-08-06 19:26:49 UTC
Akballah Kassan wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:


There is no point to preventing warp out on an inty if he can still burn away at 4k/s since even if you warped on him with probes, by the time you land and re-accelerate, he is already too far away.


You don't need to chase him. Just grab a T1 jamming frig and cut his entosis off. Job done.


You think SOV game play should be a rather large game of ding dong ditch? Because that's what SOV trolling is right now.
Akballah Kassan
Flames Of Chaos
Great Wildlands Conservation Society
#423 - 2015-08-06 19:28:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Akballah Kassan
Lucas Kell wrote:


]LOL, mate, you know how it is because you're being told to do it. You show up in an interceptor, then run away when someone show up. You just over a system and repeat. With a whole bunch of people doing just that, the mechanic is boring as sin. You know this and you support this, because your feelings of "grr goons" are more important to you than whether or not CCP put in crappy mechanics and wreck part of the game.

As for free ride, we already have a free ride. The mechanic is boring, but it's cheap to fight back. Far cheaper than it used to be.


Nobody tells us to do anything. There are no CTA's in my alliance.

As for me or my fellow alliance members 'showing up in an interceptor' we almost always have a cruiser as our entosis ship with frig and dessy support.

We entosis stuff in the hope you will bring a fleet to fight us. Goons never disappoint on that front but because your whole tactic is blob warfare you bring 2-3 fleets (harpys, ferox and cerb fleets normally with numbers of 120-160 usually) to take us on. Obviously we can't take that on with a 20-25 man gang so we usually blueball and try and pick off stragglers when you leave - typical asymetrical tactics.

Now if Goons really wanted a fight they would bring a roughly equal force to fight (you always have the big guns to call in later if things aren't going according to plan) but you NEVER do, so obviously your not really looking for a 'fight' just a massacre and complain when we won't play willing victims.
Snowmann
Arrow Industries
#424 - 2015-08-06 19:30:16 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Snowmann wrote:
I would suggest that Trollcepting is emergent game play as well.

Spin it how you want, both involve being forced into gameplay that you don't want, and each have their "said" purposes.

The merits of those will be continuously debated.
LOL. Emergent gameplay directly created by CCPs new mechanics which they are still tweaking?

Quite honestly I think you would suggest anything just to disagree. It seems you are butthurt of being ganked and want to support a boring mechanics as some form of payback, even though most sove holders had nothing to do with whatever ship you lost in highsec.

Look, this discussion is moot. CCP and the CSM wanted feedback, they have the vast majority of players explaining to them all the reasons the mechanic is terrible. I can't imagine trollceptors will remain in existence much longer and if they do you'll only see us forming into even bigger coalitions.



Emergent is any gameplay that comes by unexpectedly.
Jet Can mining was one of the first.

I don't believe Trollcepting as a form of gameplay was originally envisioned by the developers, but I could be wrong.
In any case, it does seem effective, in what it is currently intended to do.

And no, I'm not upset with ganking, I have done it many times with my various characters.

I just don't like the double standard, where some are free to troll others, but when they start getting trolled in a way they have to respond to, they gets all kinds of upset.

That isn't directed at you, just some organizations that force many into forms of gamplay outside of their preferred area of operations, but complain about it when it starts happening to them.

And it is so interesting to see the lengths they will go to try and dispel that.



Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#425 - 2015-08-06 19:31:27 UTC
Akballah Kassan wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:


]LOL, mate, you know how it is because you're being told to do it. You show up in an interceptor, then run away when someone show up. You just over a system and repeat. With a whole bunch of people doing just that, the mechanic is boring as sin. You know this and you support this, because your feelings of "grr goons" are more important to you than whether or not CCP put in crappy mechanics and wreck part of the game.

As for free ride, we already have a free ride. The mechanic is boring, but it's cheap to fight back. Far cheaper than it used to be.


Nobody tells us to do anything. There are no CTA's in my alliance.

As for me or my fellow alliance members 'showing up in an interceptor' we almost always have a cruiser as our entosis ship with frig and dessy support.

We entosis stuff in the hope you will bring a fleet to fight us. Goons never disappoint on that front but because your whole tactic is blob warfare you bring 2-3 fleets (harpys, ferox and cerb fleets normally with numbers of 120-160 usually) to take us on. Obviously we can't take that on with a 20-25 man gang so we usually blueball and try and pick off stragglers when you leave - typical asymetrical tactics.

Now if Goons really wanted a fight they would bring a roughly equal force to fight (you always have the big guns to call in later if things aren't going according to plan) but you NEVER do, so obviously your not really looking for a 'fight' just a massacre and complain when we won't play willing victims.


If you really wanted a fight, you would attack someone who can't flash form 3 fleet at the drop of a hat... Your whole "they form too big so we blueball them" argument falls flat on it's head when you only ring the bell on the imperium. Go poke some smaller entity and you will get a form up to defend around your own size.

The real issue is that you are not looking for fights. You have a completely different agenda but try to mask it with excuses.
Akballah Kassan
Flames Of Chaos
Great Wildlands Conservation Society
#426 - 2015-08-06 19:35:51 UTC
alpha36 wrote:


I feel like npc 0.0 is too safe and theres little to no risk involved these days. It used to be that if someone was in your space and up in your grill basing out of npc you could go in there with a freighter full of bubbles and camp that **** for 30 days until they die and give up, leave.



So people are willing to HELLCAMP NPC STATIONS FOR A WHOLE MONTH with no pvp content to destroy an enemy yet the same people won't chase around a lone interceptor?

I think you just blew Lucas Kell's arguement about entosis wars being boring out of the water.
Salvos Rhoska
#427 - 2015-08-06 19:37:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Lucas Kell wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Yes, Sov has problems.
Yes, this didnt fix them.
But is the now a problem? Not really.
As you and others have corroborated, this is no threat, merely an annoyance.
The mechanic is boring. Boring gameplay is bad.


Whats boring about the tears of thousands of alts in coalition about a single frigate stepping on their lawn?

I think you may have, in your complacency, lost the picture here of what EVE is about.
As you can see, plenty of people see thisnfor what it really is.

The change may not have fixed Sov entirely, but its a step in the right direction.
If your bosses were to hire me instead of you as spindoctor (im open for negotiation) thats the tact I would take.
You wont win this one. Best you can do is mitigate future impending changes that will make one interceptor on your lawn seem like a fond memory.

If you cant HTFU and adapt with changes, perhaps that is exactly the reason for someone else who can, to step up.
Historically all empires fall invariably due to complacency, luxury, self-entitlement and decadence, even if no external force is strong enough to engage them directly.

Also:
"If you've read other thread, blogs, reddit, etc, "
Please, you cant be serious...
alpha36
Northern Freight Unlimited
Young Miners Christian Association
#428 - 2015-08-06 19:38:44 UTC
Akballah Kassan wrote:
I think you just blew Lucas Kell's arguement about entosis wars being boring out of the water.

Entosis wars are boring. ALL sov holders hate it, nobody wants to mount a new sov campaign in the current system. The only people who like it dont have sov. The map will never change, stagnation increases, EVE dies. The end.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#429 - 2015-08-06 19:39:32 UTC
Akballah Kassan wrote:
Nobody tells us to do anything. There are no CTA's in my alliance.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Yes there are. You get toldd what to do all the time, we see it in your comms. You got told to come to this thread. Even your leader gets steered by Gevlon.

Akballah Kassan wrote:
We entosis stuff in the hope you will bring a fleet to fight us.
lol, and yet whenever a single player shows up you scatter. Again we know that you're being instructed to troll, you can eve buy packs of fitted troll ships from your alliance contracts.

You guys really are terrible at this.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#430 - 2015-08-06 19:43:07 UTC
Snowmann wrote:
Emergent is any gameplay that comes by unexpectedly.
Jet Can mining was one of the first.

I don't believe Trollcepting as a form of gameplay was originally envisioned by the developers, but I could be wrong.
Except of course that trollceptors were already a concept before fozziesov was implemented.

Snowmann wrote:
In any case, it does seem effective, in what it is currently intended to do.
If the intention was to make a boring gameplay mechanic, then sure, it's effective. The stated goal was to generate conflict and spice up nullsec hough and that has failed.

Snowmann wrote:
And no, I'm not upset with ganking, I have done it many times with my various characters.
I can smell the lies on you.

Snowmann wrote:
I just don't like the double standard, where some are free to troll others, but when they start getting trolled in a way they have to respond to, they gets all kinds of upset.
It's not a double standard though, especially considering a mass of sov holders with issues with fozziesov don't gank. I'm not saying ganking doesn't need a balance, but using it as an excuse to leave in badly designed mechanics is a bad idea.

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Akballah Kassan
Flames Of Chaos
Great Wildlands Conservation Society
#431 - 2015-08-06 19:43:35 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Akballah Kassan wrote:
Nobody tells us to do anything. There are no CTA's in my alliance.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Yes there are. You get toldd what to do all the time, we see it in your comms. You got told to come to this thread. Even your leader gets steered by Gevlon.


I get the impression you are the 'kings hand' to your overlord Mittens. Proof that I get told to post on this thread or we'll just assume you are full of ****.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#432 - 2015-08-06 19:48:31 UTC
Akballah Kassan wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Akballah Kassan wrote:
Nobody tells us to do anything. There are no CTA's in my alliance.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Yes there are. You get toldd what to do all the time, we see it in your comms. You got told to come to this thread. Even your leader gets steered by Gevlon.
I get the impression you are the 'kings hand' to your overlord Mittens. Proof that I get told to post on this thread or we'll just assume you are full of ****.
It's easy. Check your alliance mails. We can't post them here but I'm sure they'll be on eve skunk too. I'd forward them from my alt but that would just be silly.

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Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#433 - 2015-08-06 19:49:46 UTC
Occasionally, they tell us to upvote threads and all but I never do it because I just keep pressing F1 and it doesn't do anything.
Salvos Rhoska
#434 - 2015-08-06 19:51:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Threats to report for censure, all caps laughing and then claims of confidential emails that will not be revealed.

Hmmm.

Oh yes, and a single disposable frigate on your lawn suddenly escalated to hundreds of interceptors.

Adapt.
HTFU.
Dont undock with what you cant afford to lose.
Dont hold what you cannot control.
Dont whine about what you cannot change.
Dont trust anybody, especially on forums.

Did I miss anything?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#435 - 2015-08-06 19:54:28 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Threats to report for censure, all caps laughing and then claims of confidential emails that will not be revealed.

Hmmm.


We are not allowed to post the mails that are available on eve skunk that mention entosis troll ship being on contract or a call to the alliance to come post positive stuff about the sov change to be sure CCP don't see to large of a majority in support of changing some of it.

For all I know, I'm about to be forum banned now...

Welp...
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#436 - 2015-08-06 19:55:44 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Threats to report for censure, all caps laughing and then claims of confidential emails that will not be revealed.

Hmmm.


You should see the local chat when some of us end up in the same system. Some of it is pretty facepalmy, from both sides.

Also, isn't there CAOD for this inter-alliance shitposting? Can you continue doing it there?

We want to talk more about how Fozziesov is really boring and hasn't really changed 0.0 much at all and how CCP doesn't listen to the CSM, unless they want to fire someone.
Salvos Rhoska
#437 - 2015-08-06 20:07:06 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Threats to report for censure, all caps laughing and then claims of confidential emails that will not be revealed.

Hmmm.


We are not allowed to post the mails that are available on eve skunk that mention entosis troll ship being on contract or a call to the alliance to come post positive stuff about the sov change to be sure CCP don't see to large of a majority in support of changing some of it.

For all I know, I'm about to be forum banned now...

Welp...


Well, I for one hope you are not and think you walked the line just fine on candour.

But, subversion and deception are part and parcel of this game, and this forum is an extension.

A forum CTA for alliance members is perfectly valid, whether it did or did not happen.

Lets not be naive here, you and I.
We both know that all interested parties (for whichever reason) are arguing en-force and deliberately to pursue their own agenda.
Lets all not try to take this all too seriously, its a game that we all share afterall, and remember also that CCP has to read through all the politics for the core points of feedback.

I for one, and still hoping for someone to post itemized and numbered list of suggestions, especially as supported by experience with sov change.
Ive seen them in other threads and some were quite good. I miss them here.
Gives structure to the discussion.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#438 - 2015-08-06 20:10:03 UTC
Akballah Kassan wrote:

I've an idea for you, why not put up a small, regular 'anti-entosis' fleet that gets paid isk for patroling your outlying/renter regions? As a player who hates grinding for isk hunting and killing 'trollceptors' for payment would beat running anoms or mining any time of the day.

You have no idea how much you'd have to pay me to do that stupid **** on an even halfway regular basis. Ratting is terrible; chasing interceptors is somehow far worse.

I get the feeling that I'm not the only one who feels that way.
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#439 - 2015-08-06 20:11:02 UTC
The core point of feedback is pretty visible through all the politics and shiptoasting.

It's boring

People who like it only like it because it's boring the people they don't like =p
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#440 - 2015-08-06 20:17:08 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
I for one, and still hoping for someone to post itemized and numbered list of suggestions, especially as supported by experience with sov change.
There's some easy starts for this:
1. Entosis links should only be able to be fitted by cruisers+
2. Full defense index should require multiple simultaneous links to get started (2 or 3)
3. Moving outside of the range of the entosis link while it is running should burn it out (like overheating) with a repair cost of roughly half the cost of the link.

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