EVE General Discussion

Are you suggesting that when we see bad mechanics that lead to boring, stagnant gameplay we should simply ignore them, rather than raising our concerns with the game developer? Sounds like you're a bit of a pushover. Fight for what you want mate.

Before or after you got banned?

I disagree completely. What it tells me is that SMA never want to or intend to fight any kind of sov war no matter what mechanics are chosen. They would rather fight in pre arranged contests then actually risk their sov being attacked.

lol since when ceptors are evasion of pvp? Are you mad? What does the class name says. INTERCEPTOR. Its for interception and tackling which all is pvp. It does not say Rookie ship or Transport ship.
I was in a entosis ship the other day. What you call a "troll ceptor". I had an entosis link and I was tackling. If you dont concider that pvp, I dont know what is. Just cos you got some kind of mis concepted notion of what pvp is, you cant blast this non sence.



CCP does has gone through an effort to create content for you since you blued everyone. In reality you should have created the content not the other way around. I am telling you. Pure lazyness



We have had some complained in the past but nothing to this waterfall of tears. The game before was about blobbing before and after reinforce. Completelly negated guerilla warfare. While Fozzy sov has not fully removed this(it should still have both capabilities) it has given back a lot of action. Nothing to do with blobbing, setting to blue, crying there are no targets and not reseting standings, puttung stupid rules in what can you fight and not deploying and complaiing to everyone. I am sure if you are a reasonable man there is something in your mind that says, I got a point here...

Also please grow up and stop with the personal attack. Be a man. I personally dont care about it and wont report it cos I dont care for it but thats not a discussion..

"Are you suggesting" is basically an attempt to force words down someones throat that they have never said, and fail.

For example: "Are you suggesting that I suggested that you suggested, that he suggested etc".
Leads nowhere and is an argumentative flaw.

I didnt suggest anything.
If I suggest something, I will say "I suggest xxx".

I STATED (not suggested) that someone (you) from organisations of thousands of players controlling most of know space whining about a single disposable frigate is rather pathetic.

As to the changes having lead to stagnant boring gameplay, well, thats just like your opinion, man.
Many others in this very thread have a different and contradictory one, equally as valid as yours.

I dont see you raising your concerns with the game developer.
By all means, start a thread addressed to CCP and do so.
Instead I see you whining and arguing with other players that your opinion and preference trumps theirs.

I fight for what I want, everyday. But not by whining or claiming my opinion trumps others, but by concrete action towards and addressed to those who can affect change.

Its the difference between you whining to other customers at a shop and getting mad at them for not agreeing with you, rather than whining to the staff who can sctually do something about it or give a **** about ypur personal opinion.

You are doing the former. I "suggest" you do the latter.
Put your money where your mouth is.
Formulate an argument and direct it here to CCP.
Put what you got down in text, address it to CCP here, and lets discuss it.
Im all for that.

And as for my short forum ban, thats between me and CCP and none of your beeswax.
I dutifully HTFU and did my time. Thats all there is to that.

This is an example of prejudice (in this case against Goons, don't know how TEST figured in there lol) clouds judgement.

GOONS AREN'T LOSING ANYTHING. Their vast empire isn't crumbling from the onslaught of 'new group' hordes. Their numbers ARE dictating the reality (go ask Mordus lol). Hell, the ONLY things that affect jump fatigue and fozzie sov are numbers (more characters means you can 'pony express' ships across space, and fozzie sov no likey 14,000 man coaltions).

It will always remain amusing to see people with such blatant bias get things so twisted that they don't understand that they are celebrating themselves getting screwed. Goons now have an impenetrable and impregnable fortress in the north with max strength bonuses from all that damn Ishtar Ratting and even mid sized alliances like my own are such a pain in the backside to move that no one seriously tries (that attack we fended off last night from INIT and Goons just wasn't a serious push, they want fights, not more space).

The 'upset' has nothing to do with losing anything, it has everything to do with the fact that this new system isn't very much fun to play even if it is EASIER to hold on to vast amounts of space with it. Do you not see all the renewed rental empires popping up?

So what you're arguing is that a more convincing way of fixing the problems with EVE Online's sovereignty system would be to randomly ban 90% of Goonswarm's membership?

Well I can certainly get behind this.

Hey, if your problem is that you have a system which Goons are always trying to game, and no matter how much you change the system, the Goons still find a way to game it, maybe the system isn't the root cause of the issue.

Could you elaborate a bit on this, please?
Especially the italized part.

LOL, just bcause it's called an interceptor, doesn't mean it's used for intercepting. You can pop mining lasers on it if you want. An interceptor with an entosis link, cloak and all speed modules is designed not to fight.

CCP have done sod all to create content, they've released a system which supports running away more than fighting. You know this because you guys are being ordered to do it.

Oh ok, so you guys moving into sov, even being part of the CFC, then leaving it and spendign the next few years whining about how the existing systems is unfair because you chose to play it in a way it wasn't designed to handle, that's OK. But us suggesting changes to CCP based on a brand new system which is considered terrible by the vast majority of players, that's bad?

We don't reset standings because we don't want to, we have friends we play with and enemies we fight. Just because we have more friends that you'd want to have doesn't mean we're playing the game wrong and should play more like you.

The mechanics they put in place were designed to promote conflict. They failed to do that and need to be fixed. Simple as.

There were no personal attacks, only the truth of the matter.

Which is the point CCP does not understand. You cannot defeat human nature, even in a video game. Yet CCP keeps trying to (not just with fozzie sov), which is why very few of the systems they put into the game work as intended (loot spew was supposed to do one thing and ended up doing another, Incursions were supposed to be 'PUG' affairs so CCP didn't even consider that people would form large groups like TVP and the others, CCP once nerfed anoms because "yea, that will create conflict", Dominion will be the small alliances dream!!! etc etc etc).

People are the ONLY issue, and trying to herd us into 'small alliances are wonderful, big ones suck' territory was something that was doomed to fail (again) from the get-go. Your dislike of certain groups doesn't change these facts.