EVE General Discussion

Why is it that i can open the map, find any sov holder you can name, fly there and get into a fight any time of day or night, yet those of you that live there claim that you cannot find good fights and fozziesov is to blame?

Lol, that's the beauty of the sandbox, yet you seem to be claiming that objectively sov was terrible and is now good, even though most people disagree.

Sov null isn't having trouble though, is it? Defending is a problem. Not being bored to death by these whack-a-mole mechanics is. That's a clear example of mechanics done wrong.

Lol? How many times do I have to say the same thing? The problem is not that it is difficult to defend, it;s that it's ******* boring to defend and that attackers have to commit nothing of value to attack. That's a recipe for lack of content. Defenders don't want to do any more than the minimum because the mechanics suck ass, and attackers refuse to engage because they don't have to commit to troll sov. It has nothing to do with shrinking sov.

And that is why your opinion is void. This is a video game and it's designed for entertainment. It's not a second job. Holding sov should not mean people have to sit in space twiddling their thumbs. Neither should it mean mechanics designed around leaving alts sitting around. You're literally suggesting that CCP design their game to e boring specifically to bore sov holders.

I'm sure we could sit around and figure out how to make broken mechanics work, but it's much better for CCP to make them less terrible, and based on the volume of negative feedback that's going to happen sooner rather than later.

If CCP would just get rid of structure bashing then we would fight !

CCP gets rid of structure bashing.....

If CCP would only take highsec minerals and give them to us so we could do industry locally, then we would fight !

CCP transfers highsec ore to nullsec....

If CCP would just get rid of fozziesov then we would fight !

CCP contemplates getting rid of fozziesov......

nullsec: HILARIOUS we didnt even have to adopt a new lame excuse and CCP is failing for it again !
Anyways, everything will be back to business as usual in a month, dont worry guys, we got this.

Later:

If CCP would just buy us all pink ponies, then we would fight !

If CCP would just buy us all cookies, then we would fight !

If CCP would just......

Sov didn't "let" people blue each other, that's what MMOs do. People can choose to collaborate. And that's still happening now.

And the fun of the old sov was in the masses of fights.

LOL. This is always the complaint from you types. Like we should just cease working with friends to create some artificial content because the systems built around it are growing increasingly terrible. You're so adamant that we should be force to play your way.

Yes it would! No matter how active the system, chasing a disposable ship designed to evade is boring. Firing a ******* mining laser at a structure is boring.

And I don't know, and don't really care how many systems we have with or without people. It's irrelevant because I'm not talkign about unused systems. I couldn't give a crap if an unused system could be taken by a goddamn rookie ship, but for attacking active systems the mechanics need to be less boring and require commitment. At this point it's fairly obvious you're intending not to understand why the current system sucks, you're just gonna keep going "grr sov holders" and supporting dumb changes that make the game less appealing.

Lol, no null is like everywhere else. We are mining, ratting, fighting. Sitting and looking at a structure is bad game design.

No I don't, I want attackers to have to commit to their attacks. I'm not demanding we maintain our sov uncontested, I just don;t think a disposable solo ship should be able to threaten sov. There's multibox sov assaults going on. Sov is an alliance level activity. Solo players should not be able to contest sov in a disposable frigate.

I don't really care if you want to get your word in the tell me to agree to disagree. I'm fully aware there are multiple playstyles, as are most of the sov holder you hate. Don't forget, we were all fully on board for drastically altering sov so that occupancy was required, the space held was shrunk and that smaller groups should have a fighting chance. Now that the system is full tit the other way and solo players can harass thousands of players with a simple frigate, you want to keep it as is, because it serves you better. All we want is it to be balanced in the middle.



- "EDIT: Lucas, at this point I'm going to choose to end the conversation. We will never see eye to eye, and until you realize playstyles other than your own (and your playstyle and opinions are 100% valid in this sandbox) are valid, I can't take you seriously in any way, shape or form. If you are able to say the same about how I EVE, I will respond. Until then, I won't. Until that happens, any conversation here is nothing but a waste of time."

The hypocrisy of this statement does not go unnoticed.

All sovereignty changes CCP have introduced since POS claimship have ruined this game. EVE has some realism under POS warfare. This nonsense with anomalies and beacons popping up for us to sit around hours to capture is killing the game.

They don't even need to drive them off. They just need to put elinks on their ratting ishtars and then actually look at their afk client once every 10 minutes to see if they need to warp somewhere in their ratting system to run a defensive elink for 20 mins. They never even have to use a gate. Pretty sure they could even update their afktar bots to handle it.

I take it your definition of big fight is 40 dudes poking at each other in shitfit T1 hulls, as that's about all you get when you actually invade anyone who isn't The Imperium, unfortunately. I assure you, our sigs have tried, and the shows of resistance are sad at best, and outright pathetic at worst.

"Something something muh killboard efficiency. Stop feeding them kills guys. Srs, dock up and they'll go away in a couple of days."

And they're right, we will, because seriously, **** node lasering.

I'm only still reading this thread for the projection and the tinfoil. It's honestly funny at this point.

Well, 15 pages in now, and you are all probably starting to suffer from some form of deficiency. Don't fear, for I have what you crave. No, its not electrolytes, its better, its.... Narwhaledge! Take a break and let your brain drink deep of the Sea Unicorn!

Natural in EVE that everyone argues from the perspective of their own advantage.
Thats what the forum minigame is all about!

Nonetheless, the simple adage: "adapt", is always applicable.

One doesnt have to like it and one can lobby for change, but thats the where the bottomline is drawn that distinguishes between entitled whining and HTFU/dealing with it.

Its pretty funny that organisations of thousands are players with all their vast resources, huge expanses of space, and centuries of collective experience are whining that:
"Plz, CCP! A single disposable frigate is trolling and annoying us! Make it stop!"