EVE General Discussion

The elephant in the room is hisec.

We can no longer scratch our heads and wonder why we are always sniffing for meagre content in losec or null, despite the best intentions of Aegis-SOV and offering a 'land rush' carrot.

With realities such as this, and a hisec that promotes comfy living and stagnation, it's now time for hisec sticks.

- Reduce the physical size of hisec by 80%.
- Nerf ISK generation, content (remove lv3-4 missions, incursions, ice mining, etc), and lock safeties to green in hisec.
- Improve ship-replacement insurance to counter ship-loss risk-aversion

Send a clear message to all new players that hisec is just the 'practice area' or 'ready room' for losec/null, and gateway to joining a (or starting) a Brave Newbies or Pandemic Horde, to get into the actual game. Send a clear message that EvE online is now going to BE the nullsec thunderdome we have all been marketed, dreamed-of, but seldom see (unless one major FC calls anothers girlfriend fat...).

Do this not, and continue to scratch your heads in self-delusional wonder on why after 10+ years of EvE history, (and despite big new player spikes caused by vids of BR-5 or big fights in the "This is EvE' trailer), overall player growth and retention remains stagnant...or worse.

10+ years in, and CCP still hasnt realized that they shoot themselves in the head with each new piece of content or carebear candy they provide in hisec.

Its time.

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Yeah, highsec has always needed a nerf.

I'd like to see Faction Warfare change the highsec NPC system sov, and maybe have higher taxes for players who are not favored by the faction who owns that sov.

Definatly remove lvl4s from highsec, or make them harder, or longer, or something. lvl4s are mindless pinatas you can just keep hitting for big wads of cash, and i think that is bad for two reasons. One, it means you can become filthy rich with virtually no risk. But more, it is BORING and players will quit once they get bored of running the exact same missions over and over day in day out for months.

I did. I used to be a carebear. I have Hulk skills, ran a highsec research POS, and i almost quit eve out of bordom. I happened to take a risk and joined the first 00 corp that would take me, and i've lived in nullsec ever since. But i imagine many players never do this, and they end up quitting and finding new games.

We need to find more ways to coax players into pvp and nullsec. We need to shatter their idea of living like a pimp completely unchallenged by anyone. People who have full deadspace fitted golems running their 9000th mission is really sad. Theres nowhere else for that player to move up to, other than another game.

It's good to see you find this exciting despite how much others claim it is a boring job. :)

Looking over the Fountain map, I have to wonder why BL is bothering with many of those system. There's little to no ratting happening. Essentially zero PvP. Some of them barely even have any jumps. So why bother mindlessly orbiting a node for 3 or 4 hours to retain a TCU that does essentially nothing beyond change a little icon (one that can be disabled) on the upper left corner of the screen? N2-OQG comes to mind. BL should forget it. Let your TCU be blown up. Let somebody else online a TCU. You should simply not care. It's not important. It's not worth your time. Sov timers were means to provoke fights with Dominion Sov, but you need to readjust your strategy for Aegis Sov.

Why is there supposed to be a major distinction between reinforcement and attack? They have to bring a ship to reinforce so that is an attack of sorts. The fact they aren't bringing in a token fleet to get welped afterward seems like nothing more than good sense.

And to protect sov against a shitfit interceptor, you need just one combat capable ship. That's it. Have a combat capable ship on-grid with the sov structure. Job done. Even a Skiff works. If a system is so worthless to you that you cannot have a single pilot the system to stop reinforcement, you don't deserve the system. You find defending it boring? You hate chasing command nodes? Good. I'm glad of that. I hope you totally flame out trying to defend it. I hope your whole entire alliance crumbles to the ground trying to defend systems that are worthless to you.

That's what people complain about. There there is nothing going on, which was exactly what was the status quo during DominionSov.



Yeah, and why would they attack in the first instance if they don't intend to follow up? The answer is simply trolling. What makes it tedious and boring is that, compared to DomiSov, they attack risks way less (trollceptors instead of bomber or BS fleets / dread) and that the system doesn't return to defended slowly by it's own (regenerating shield in the old system)

Do you think that those two points are over the top and outside of the spirit of the new system?

Space aids.

We can't risk serious resources without being able to escalate if needed, and we can't risk move escalation forces near the target if there is nothing that we really need in that area.

Peacetime fleets for "Fun" go out almost every hour. You can be sure that they won't spend ~40 minutes looking at a node simply to reinforce a structure.

Of course they are. They'd say being violated with a spiked bat is fun if the goons didn't like it.

Try out the system. It's mostly chasing around cheap ships designed to evade capture and using what is effectively a mining laser on a structure.

Because people have different views and don't want to work together. Don;t get me wrong, opposition and conflict is a good thing, but people that believe that CCP should somehow chop up coalitions into arbitrarily limited sizes are idiots. It's never going to happen.

Gee wizz, haven't heard that one in a while. If we split out from goons, I wouldn't get to hear as much singing on comms, and that's sad.

Well, we're all too busy living in our space to deploy elsewhere.

Lol, no it's not. It's a way of saying that if a group flies away from their own space to attack someone else, they are weak on home defence. The new system wants people to live in their space, so the optimal strategy is to do just that. They don't need each others space, so why fight and risk losing what they have?

So we're back to "sit around babysitting all of your structures". Thank god you don't work for CCP.

This isn't stupid by any stretch of the imagination. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. Sometimes you stir the pot to see what emergent gameplay comes from it. Moreso in an environment like EVE than anywhere else. The current changes benefit newbies by giving small groups more incentive to fly through null (a positive) with the only downside of current sov holders having to have more people committed in systems they control. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Current sov holders have simply gotten so content with the ease of living out there (why I quit null, by the way) that they are now upset.

And yes, trollceptors are extremely similar to bumping tactics. as with everything else, there are currently ways to counter troll ceptors, so use the existing methods instead of complaining.

And hold off the backhand insults every other post, tiger. Some of us are capable of having a conversation without those.

As it stands it's stupidly easy for someone to keep an alt in a system and simply alt tab back to that character to chase off a ceptor. If there aren't any kills, they can't entorsis anything, and people stop raging, people will stop using troll ceptors completely. Think of it this way: if every barge warped off before a gank could happen, and every freighter flew smart and didn't get ganked, would CODE still exist? no. Threads like this are feeding troll ceptors, and will do nothing but make more of them in game.



Amazing how the point can go so far over your head. It's a positive if it makes sov holders rethink why they hold so many systems. If it causes empires to shrink to manageable sizes, or pushes those who don't really want to defend their space back to low/WHs/HS, that's a huge positive for the game. That's the positive we are seeing start to play out here. If empires shrunk to honestly manageable levels, we would start to see fights again.