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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#61 - 2015-07-23 21:15:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
It's a fairly straightforward quid pro quo arrangement.

Actually if you're a miner you can get away with hardly paying anything at all except your entry fee... oh yes, I double checked and it's totally correct. We have Caldari ice down there too, not only the most expensive (and therefore best to mine) but also has a good market nearby... AND can be useful to fuel your Rhea if you use one.

I'd be more excited, but we already have Caldari ice in our home and I haven't been deep into mining for a while. Still have the perfect boost Rorqural & pilot though.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
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ISD Alliance
#62 - 2015-07-24 11:49:36 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Decoy
Let me be very clear for the final time.

This is a sell orders offer thread, not a political discussion thread. If you have questions specifically about the sell order itself, please reply accordingly. Everything else is off-topic and will be removed. This thread has been on our dashboard every single day since it was created. We shouldn't have to devote so much energy to this thread.

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Kathao Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2015-07-25 21:01:55 UTC
Bump.

We are already at 16 corporations in our ranks!
KiloAlpha
ImperiaI Federation
Goonswarm Federation
#64 - 2015-07-26 00:51:04 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Decoy
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Captain StringfellowHawk
Forsaken Reavers
#65 - 2015-07-27 00:32:19 UTC
I remember reading in the TMC announcement that you guys would be policing the renters to make sure they are active and Booting/bringing in others to only keep the best and largest corporations in your rental area.

"Renters are going to be heavily policed to only keep the very best ones around. Arbitrary changes to the rules will likely come to make sure they stay in line and produce. The focus will be on larger more capable renters."

I was wondering what Metrics you were using for this?

Would you be going by Taxes collected from the rental corporation which would be brought in via ratting.
Would it be by Corporation Activity in the area? Reporting hostiles, helping defend the area you are in, etc?
Would it go by Corporation size or Online actives?
Would it go by how well that Corporation or group works the Index? If so would certain Index's hold a corp more important over another?

Bringing the Military index up is relatively simple, Sov Index increases based on how long a system is held, the Industry index is the longest and most worked to raise. Would Industrial groups have an edge in this rental agreement vs your regular site farmers?

Would a corp in the 1-50 member group who is Mining up the Index's as well as ratting be held over a 1-50 member group who is just shooting crosses?

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#66 - 2015-07-27 03:09:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
There've been no substantive discussion on metrics, we're moving people in right now.

An obvious thing to note is that when people can move around, it isn't as though you can tell how much they're mining.


In ~particular~ I would advice not causing drama, as that will heavily cause leadership to lean against keeping a drama corp around.
Captain StringfellowHawk wrote:
Would a corp in the 1-50 member group who is Mining up the Index's as well as ratting be held over a 1-50 member group who is just shooting crosses?

Right now it is safe to say that if the corp is active, they are most likely safe. It's different if all the corp does is station trade in the hub.


I'm sort of (what the heck) at "heavy policing", do more than just afk in station, don't cause drama and pay any related fees (miners obviously don't have these) on time and you can be sure if it comes to it I will advocate for you.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Kathao Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2015-07-28 10:55:56 UTC
We currently do not have any minimum requirements up and we are still considering if that's the way we want to go or not.

If a corporation of 20 people does not do a single thing over the month though, it's quite obvious that this corp is inactive. Even when mining all day, there still are some belt rats to shoot, which generates an entry in the API, showing that there is some sort of activity. That's the only thing we will be monitoring for now.
Leo Lennelluc
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2015-07-28 12:03:08 UTC
so if i have a small corp about 20 members... and we have 1 individual ratter who for example makes 1B isk a week so 4B a month....

the corp would only pay 1B per month?

the rest are a bunch of miners
MASSADEATH
MASS A DEATH
Scumlords
#69 - 2015-07-28 18:30:41 UTC
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/ION-FG

What happens if I wanted to rent out ION-FG in PURE BLIND, and now the system is taken over by MOA, and the IHUB was blown up? Do renters get thier ISK back?
Captain StringfellowHawk
Forsaken Reavers
#70 - 2015-07-28 18:34:06 UTC
MASSADEATH wrote:
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/ION-FG

What happens if I wanted to rent out ION-FG in PURE BLIND, and now the system is taken over by MOA, and the IHUB was blown up? Do renters get thier ISK back?



You would be directed to learn how to read and find out you don't rent individual systems, but access to a region. Then find out that MOA would actually have to take a region before Goons would probably care?
Icycle
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2015-07-28 18:46:36 UTC
Captain StringfellowHawk wrote:
MASSADEATH wrote:
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/ION-FG

What happens if I wanted to rent out ION-FG in PURE BLIND, and now the system is taken over by MOA, and the IHUB was blown up? Do renters get thier ISK back?



You would be directed to learn how to read and find out you don't rent individual systems, but access to a region. Then find out that MOA would actually have to take a region before Goons would probably care?


the world is your oyster and I do what I want! Dont tell me what I can or can not do. Mass, please start rentign that system Lol
MASSADEATH
MASS A DEATH
Scumlords
#72 - 2015-07-28 18:59:45 UTC
Captain StringfellowHawk wrote:
MASSADEATH wrote:
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/ION-FG

What happens if I wanted to rent out ION-FG in PURE BLIND, and now the system is taken over by MOA, and the IHUB was blown up? Do renters get thier ISK back?



You would be directed to learn how to read and find out you don't rent individual systems, but access to a region. Then find out that MOA would actually have to take a region before Goons would probably care?



Ok lets extend that train of thought , what happens if PB is slowly diluted, and only 1/2 of the systems are goons? I know right now its only 1 that has been taken over, will renters then only pay 1/2 of the current fees. You See what I am getting at no?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#73 - 2015-07-28 20:21:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Leo Lennelluc wrote:
so if i have a small corp about 20 members... and we have 1 individual ratter who for example makes 1B isk a week so 4B a month....

the corp would only pay 1B per month?

the rest are a bunch of miners

Yes, you are correct. There's no associated payments for mining.

Kathao Crendraven wrote:
If a corporation of 20 people does not do a single thing over the month though, it's quite obvious that this corp is inactive. Even when mining all day, there still are some belt rats to shoot, which generates an entry in the API, showing that there is some sort of activity. That's the only thing we will be monitoring for now.

If your corp is doing something oddly specific that you think might be hard for us to see (JFing or something?) just shoot one of us a line and keep us in the loop.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Akballah Kassan
Flames Of Chaos
Great Wildlands Conservation Society
#74 - 2015-07-28 22:55:22 UTC
Just for clarity -

will renters get any financial recompense if the number of systems or facilities they are allowed to operate in diminishes due to hostile actions?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#75 - 2015-07-29 00:08:15 UTC
Fees are based on on what you use after all. It isn't like the previous program where no matter what you end up paying 5bil/month for a system.

If your whole corp just decides to take a month off though, let us know so we won't be left wondering what the heck has gone on.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
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#76 - 2015-07-29 00:38:55 UTC
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GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#77 - 2015-07-30 00:59:55 UTC
Akballah Kassan wrote:
Just for clarity -

will renters get any financial recompense if the number of systems or facilities they are allowed to operate in diminishes due to hostile actions?

We don't really have any problem with hostile actions in the rental area. There's some people who live in the npc stations but they're basically the local mice mice - sure, if you leave food out they'll nibble at it, but they're no actual threat, they're furry and cute, and they flee the instant you look at them. If they annoy you or you're bored then you can just set some traps and you'll crack their back pretty easily but there's no real need. I can understand that you guys are a little wary of pvp but don't worry - MOA will have a delightful time as a renter.
Devilish Ledoux
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#78 - 2015-07-30 23:30:45 UTC
Akballah Kassan wrote:
Just for clarity -

will renters get any financial recompense if the number of systems or facilities they are allowed to operate in diminishes due to hostile actions?


No. They will also not be compensated if the alliance disbands due to our sun going supernova, an alien invasion, zombie/robot apocalypse or any other event that is just as likely as MoA conquering Pure Blind.
Akballah Kassan
Flames Of Chaos
Great Wildlands Conservation Society
#79 - 2015-07-31 12:07:51 UTC
Devilish Ledoux wrote:
Akballah Kassan wrote:
Just for clarity -

will renters get any financial recompense if the number of systems or facilities they are allowed to operate in diminishes due to hostile actions?


No. They will also not be compensated if the alliance disbands due to our sun going supernova, an alien invasion, zombie/robot apocalypse or any other event that is just as likely as MoA conquering Pure Blind.


Thanks for clarifying.

We'll get our cloaky campers and entosis alts into east Pure Blind systems asap.
MASSADEATH
MASS A DEATH
Scumlords
#80 - 2015-08-02 01:52:03 UTC  |  Edited by: MASSADEATH
IF we rent space and the station we have all our stuff in gets flipped? will you gaurentee to defend and get the station back? Alot of timers are popping up in pure blind? Is it as safe as you initially said?

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"On day one of the sov changes there were more than 280 systems in reinforce-mode - none of them were in our space. Our organization and our experience guarantee a safe live in the heart of our space. No other alliance has the capability to offer valuable, safe space at the moment,"



Type System Region Owner Time Remaining Defender Score
IHub 7RM-N0 Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-02T18:53:33 0d 17h 16m 18s 50%
IHub MI6O-6 Pure Blind SpaceMonkey's Alliance 2015-08-03T01:09:05 0d 23h 31m 50s 50%
Station UI-8ZE Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-03T14:40:28 1d 13h 3m 13s 50%
TCU D2-HOS Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-03T15:53:48 1d 14h 16m 33s 50%
IHub OGV-AS Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-03T15:57:13 1d 14h 19m 58s 50%
TCU Y2-6EA Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-03T18:17:02 1d 16h 39m 47s 50%
IHub Y-C3EQ Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-03T19:58:48 1d 18h 21m 33s 50%
IHub 7D-0SQ Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-03T20:36:08 1d 18h 58m 53s 50%
IHub UI-8ZE Pure Blind Tactical Narcotics Team 2015-08-03T22:04:01 1d 20h 26m 46s 50%
IHub EC-P8R Pure Blind Goonswarm Federation 2015-08-04T01:57:16 2d 0h 20m 1s 50%