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Ripblade Falconpunch
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2015-07-19 16:22:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Ripblade Falconpunch
Jack Oat wrote:
Few questions:

What are the systems/constelations/regions will be available for rent?
What are the station tax rates for renters(renters stations/ goon stations)?
What stations will be available for dock to renters?
Who will be + to the renters alliance i.e. standings?

Regards,
Jack


Read the TMC article also. The way I read it, you can go anywhere in Pure Blind - renters are not tied to any single system. If they mentioned station tax rates I don't remember it. IIRC - you can dock anywhere in PB, because your corp joins the actual GSF alliance - there is no separate renter alliance. You just can't go into Deklein without getting rekt. This applies to standings also, since you are in the actual GSF alliance.

Disclaimer - requires verification. This is my understanding from this and the TMC article.
Kathao Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2015-07-19 17:02:36 UTC
Jack Oat wrote:
Few questions:

What are the systems/constelations/regions will be available for rent?
What are the station tax rates for renters(renters stations/ goon stations)?
What stations will be available for dock to renters?
Who will be + to the renters alliance i.e. standings?

Regards,
Jack


Ripblade is pretty correct here.
We will rent out the region Pure Blind, limited to the eastern part of the region which has Goonswarm Sovereignity. For now you are not allowed to enter Deklein.

As you will join Goonswarm, you will be able to dock on every station in our space, especially in the rented region.
The taxes for these stations are generally 0% for most stuff and 15% tax for some services, which is the regular tax rate for anyone in our alliance.

Standings will be +10 to every coalition member. You will join in as a renter corp inside of the alliance Goonswarm Federation and we do not intend to change any standings towards renters.
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#23 - 2015-07-19 20:29:01 UTC
Jack Oat wrote:
What are the systems/constelations/regions will be available for rent?

Pure Blind. That's all

Jack Oat wrote:
What are the station tax rates for renters(renters stations/ goon stations)?

Your rental is based on only how much your members rat, and how many moons you are towering.

You can use any station in the rental area.

Jack Oat wrote:
What stations will be available for dock to renters?

All stations in the rental area.

Jack Oat wrote:
Who will be + to the renters alliance i.e. standings?

Renters are in a corp in the GSF alliance, so anyone that has out alliance blue will see you as blue by default.

If you enroll as a corp, that means the corp will going GSF (not a seperate rental alliance as in the previous program)

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

MASSADEATH
MASS A DEATH
Northern Coalition.
#24 - 2015-07-19 21:42:37 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
I run a freight service within the Imperium and by the time the first renters move in we will have the whole region covered for jump freighters.

The price we will set is 160 million isk per full freighter of 350.000 M3 moved between Jita and your home station in [NOBUX]

This will be less than half of what Black Frog would charge for the same route.

If you plan to run a reaction farm then we can make special arrangements to reduce the price further.

Once you get settled contact me through Evemail for more information.



How is it that the imperium charges 160m per JF load, and its such a good deal, and MOA only charges 75m per JF load from Jita to 5z? hmmm weird?



Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#25 - 2015-07-19 21:50:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelique Duchemin
You serve a station. We serve a region. If you want to sneak some alts in and open a competing service for lower prices then by all means do. Let the market decide. Anything else would just be so much barking.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#26 - 2015-07-19 22:46:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Heh, last time it was N3's people trying to clog up our thread, now it's moa.

As for the JF question people may have, we do have services, but it's also a fast travel to highsec from Pure Blind** if you wish to do it yourself. Please be careful and scout yourself if you decide to fly an expensive ratting ship to PB, though.


**Much faster than when we had rental space all the way in the south of the map. Phew :)

Executor Ardur wrote:
Then you wonder why they went from almost 4000 renters to nothing ?Lol

Yeah, sorry that the CFC decided to rearrange the strategic map and closed our old rental program (Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere).

Section 8 is much nicer though (for one, you guys will live closer to my home, thanks). You can still co-prosper with us. It's easier since our big hub is so close by too.


EDIT: Oh wow, the transcontinental JF service is going to Pure Blind. That's the one everyone in Deklein uses. This is great :)

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#27 - 2015-07-19 22:53:12 UTC
I have removed an off-topic post and one quoting it. Please stick to the topic at hand. This isn't a political thread, this is a sell order.

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captain foivos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2015-07-20 00:35:44 UTC
MASSADEATH wrote:
How is it that the imperium charges 160m per JF load, and its such a good deal, and MOA only charges 75m per JF load from Jita to 5z? hmmm weird?


because you don't value your time

don't worry nobody else values it either
Slutty McCarrierPilot
Doomheim
#29 - 2015-07-20 02:40:54 UTC
So just to confirm my understanding here from the TMC article...

If I join a corp like Karmafleet, it's 15% tax to yolo carrier rat in deklein... AND I get to camp DO6H to merk whatever poor renter that accidentally jumps through the gate?

So sick bruh.
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#30 - 2015-07-20 03:59:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Do what you want, so long as you remember:

To stay with blues,
You follow the rules.


((I'm not a karmafleet recruiter, talk to me only if you're needing information about our Section 8 rental program))

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

KiloAlpha
ImperiaI Federation
ImperiaI Federation Alliance
#31 - 2015-07-20 09:35:48 UTC
Please can we have a few leadership or diplos in here confirming that this is legit ?
As good as this offer sounds , normally things that are to good to be true are ,,, well scams

So to all those people thinking of renting ... Goons don't like pubbies. ( there derogatory name for none goons ) and have been ripping people off
For years , so be smart , get confirmation from a legit diplo or risk losing your isk

Question ? ...... Are gsf going to inform said renters that pure blind is full reds ?
And what will gsf forces do to prevent constant hotdrops from MOA ?
Kathao Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2015-07-20 10:51:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Kathao Crendraven
Slutty McCarrierPilot wrote:
So just to confirm my understanding here from the TMC article...

If I join a corp like Karmafleet, it's 15% tax to yolo carrier rat in deklein... AND I get to camp DO6H to merk whatever poor renter that accidentally jumps through the gate?

So sick bruh.


The main difference is that our corporations have PvP requirements for every member, while as a renter you are not bound to this. In Karmafleet you need to attend to a certain number of fleets every month, monitored using participation links. This goes for more or less every corporation in our coalition.


KiloAlpha wrote:
Please can we have a few leadership or diplos in here confirming that this is legit ?
As good as this offer sounds , normally things that are to good to be true are ,,, well scams

So to all those people thinking of renting ... Goons don't like pubbies. ( there derogatory name for none goons ) and have been ripping people off
For years , so be smart , get confirmation from a legit diplo or risk losing your isk

Question ? ...... Are gsf going to inform said renters that pure blind is full reds ?
And what will gsf forces do to prevent constant hotdrops from MOA ?


Our longterm CSM member mynnna confirmed it on page 1. Aryth, who posted on directly under the OP, is a director of finance and organizing everything here.

Additionally, all payments only go over the executor corporation of Goonswarm Federation or NOBUX directly. We had a rental program up for one and a half years called Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere [PBLRD] (here's the old thread) which had space in Period Basis, Delve, Vale of the Silent and Branch and since then, the No-Rental-Scams rule was enforced.
We never had a single scamming incident since the funding of PBLRD.

If that still does not convince you, you are completely free to use Chribba, which was also stated in the OP.

About your question:
Pure Blind isn't full of reds. If you mean MoA, they aren't as big as they act like and they also have not the capability to actually endanger Pure Blind. Our recent history with the Sov changes in Pure Blind and in other regions confirmed that pretty easily. The region is mostly empty.
Executor Ardur
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2015-07-20 11:10:24 UTC
This is my experience. I rented with my corp before from them. Needless to say it did not went to well for us.
The pirates and other entities are in continued war seems with CFC/Imperium.
We became cannon fodder for them and nether the CFC/Imperioum nor any one else helped us.
We would pay rent every month and we were scratching by. Eventually the pirates and other entities began to put cloaked ships to prevent us from making any isk and with the cloaked ship they will cyno hundreds of pilots to kill us.
We could not do anything and it was decided that we will evacuate.
Things were so bad that we went from 4000 renters to zero in a matter of couple of weeks
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere statistics

After moving all our stuff to high sec I did the math on how profitable the venture was and realised that we were much better off gone somewhere else. The area was just too hot with activity. As soon as these pirates know you have moved in, that it, they will just be there cloaked 24/7.

Never again will rent from CFC/Imperium.


Executor Ardur
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2015-07-20 11:31:29 UTC
Kathao Crendraven wrote:

About your question:
Pure Blind isn't full of reds. If you mean MoA, they aren't as big as they act like and they also have not the capability to actually endanger Pure Blind. Our recent history with the Sov changes in Pure Blind and in other regions confirmed that pretty easily. The region is mostly empty.


This is kinda truth. I must say. While the areas appear to be empty, there is a lot of traffic passing the system. The problem is not sov. Its the constant herassment once the pirates know you have moved in. And there is nothing you can do to stop them from cloaking a ship and effectivelly preventing us from making isk.
I think the question here is why are they really empty? I know the answer to it now after my experience with CFC/Imperium. MoA are not the only ones but they are fairly active.


Kathao Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2015-07-20 12:25:05 UTC
Executor Ardur wrote:

Things were so bad that we went from 4000 renters to zero in a matter of couple of weeks
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere statistics


This was actually not because we evacuated due to hostile activity, but we closed down PBLRD over the timeframe of one month, because Fozzie sov was coming and we had decided against maintaining our Rental program. We informed the renters in detail about these plans and helped them to move out, as a former renter confirmed earlier in this thread. There was no total evacuation given due to hostile harassment in any case.

Executor Ardur wrote:

I think the question here is why are they really empty? I know the answer to it now after my experience with CFC/Imperium. MoA are not the only ones but they are fairly active.


That's because Goonswarm actually lives in Deklein, TNT got space in Deklein, Pure Blind and Tribute and SMA got Fade and Pure Blind parts as well. Our "main regions" are as such the surroundings of Pure Blind, not Pure Blind itself.
Hostile activity in Pure Blind is almost exclusively bound to MOA and we are fighting them off since the beginning of the sov changes, as they require us to actually be there and prevent Entosis attacks with fleets, while the old system allowed us to simply ignore some timers, which led to a rather slow process.

Additionally, Pure Blind is not Vale of the Silent. It's right next to the very heart of our coalition, while Vale was our eastern border zone. Fleet behavior and hostile activity are entirely different here.
Nevertheless, I am sorry your experience with us was rather negative, but I fully understand your point.
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#36 - 2015-07-20 13:37:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
I'm pretty sure that's a troll hitting all of moa's talking points and not an actual ex-renter of ours though.

Not just because I've had lots of chances to talk to our renters living in the warmer areas in the previous program or anything~~. Either that or they're thinking of the people living in those other programs that were in the gunsights of reavers months ago.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Slutty McCarrierPilot
Doomheim
#37 - 2015-07-20 17:15:03 UTC
Just to confirm, if a renter got his afk ishtar blapped and decided to run over to YAO to reship into another afk ishtar, he would be KOS as soon as he jumped through the DO6H- gate?

Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#38 - 2015-07-20 18:04:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Like a broken record, huh.

I'll make sure our ishtar producers know to move some product down to a PB hub since there will be a market there. Thanks for the heads up!


By the way, every now and then ishtars are cheaper in nullsec than in jita, so there are some deals to be had (and for some other t2 stuff as well, ships especially). For example, if you like marauders, I know someone who makes them in quite a large volume.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Viktor Raybach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2015-07-20 19:55:38 UTC
KiloAlpha wrote:
Please can we have a few leadership or diplos in here confirming that this is legit ?
As good as this offer sounds , normally things that are to good to be true are ,,, well scams


I'm a member of Corps Diplomatique and a Diplomat for GSF. You can check our alliance description for confirmation here: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Goonswarm_Federation

I confirm that section 8 is entirely legitimate and fully sanctioned.
The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2015-07-20 22:47:48 UTC
I'm proud that our Finance directorate invented the first Fozziesov-functional renter system in this new era. Yes, this is legit. If you don't believe that, it's your problem. vOv

~hi~