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HighSec Ganking and Appropriate Punishment

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#121 - 2015-07-19 17:12:35 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
Come back and debate with me when your reading skills improve. Debate over!


And now a sulky hissy fit, you made an assumption about my question and then got angry about it, I told you that your assumption was way off base, so yes the debate is over from you, well you were just hot air, I was interested from the poster I replied to because that poster replied in an open way in another thread. But if that angers you then there you go, not my issue.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#122 - 2015-07-19 17:14:29 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Come back and debate with me when your reading skills improve. Debate over!


And now a sulky hissy fit, you made an assumption about my question and then got angry about it, I told you that your assumption was way off base, so yes the debate is over from you, well you were just hot air, I was interested from the poster I replied to because that poster replied in an open way in another thread. But if that angers you then there you go, not my issue.


Your responses demonstrate that you are not even worth my time responding to. Now where is that forum block feature?
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#123 - 2015-07-19 17:22:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Renegade Heart wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Come back and debate with me when your reading skills improve. Debate over!


And now a sulky hissy fit, you made an assumption about my question and then got angry about it, I told you that your assumption was way off base, so yes the debate is over from you, well you were just hot air, I was interested from the poster I replied to because that poster replied in an open way in another thread. But if that angers you then there you go, not my issue.


Your responses demonstrate that you are not even worth my time responding to. Now where is that forum block feature?


I was once told by an incompetent half-wit with an ego problem that I was a nasty horrible person, and I said thanks as coming from him it was a compliment. The issue was that he was an incompetent person who was fired for being incompetent two weeks later. I laughed.. and I laugh now!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#124 - 2015-07-19 17:31:00 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
I have my own ideas on that, but its not for consumption on these forums.


stop baiting

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Kironas Tritoris
Unas Salus Victus
#125 - 2015-07-19 17:33:42 UTC

EVE provides four distinct zones of play, HighSec, LowSec, NullSec, and W-Space. Each supposedly providing different levels of interaction between players based on the mechanics of each zone.

HighSec = High Security Space. You can only legally attack and kill another person’s ship in HighSec if you have a legally declared war through the WARDEC system. Ganking a person – killing their ship / pod in HighSec without a legally declared war is illegal and the player violating this rule will have their ship killed by CONCORD.

I am going to correct your post.
Developers have made Highsec non exsistent do to their lack of skills.
When -10 4 year old characters can come into a Highsec system and kill miners and stil be around bragging before anything happens, developers simply have failed.
My freind recently joined this game and has now left game, like he said what is the point in playing a game where they cant even keep their own rules.
All other games, have strict policy on harrassing new players in eve that isn't at all put into effect.
There are players out there WHO have been stealing mission loot and gankers WHO have attacked noob miners for years without evolving.
My best quess are they are some sorry ass looser WHO cant cut it in low and null, therefore keep harrassing new players.

For me i was looking forward to have some good freinds around teaching them a bit about game then go to null. For me this only Means less time on highsec alt and more time in null.
But for ccp it is 3 less customers becourse 3 or 4 adolecent loosers Arent up to the task of going for players on their own level of play but rather will stick to what they can kill noobs.

If your a High sec Ganker you are a Looser, wanna make war in highsec go wardec someone, oh i forgot you dont have the skills for that.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#126 - 2015-07-19 17:35:58 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
I have my own ideas on that, but its not for consumption on these forums.


stop baiting


That was not a bait, if it was I would have said it.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#127 - 2015-07-19 17:37:21 UTC
but i wanna know your idea now

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#128 - 2015-07-19 17:47:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Lan Wang wrote:
but i wanna know your idea now


Sorry, not something I want to get into, I was just asking the person I replied to who I respect because it was interesting me in terms of my own assessment, I worded it in a flippant way which is wrong, I had had a little wine thats why and was being called away for RL, what I should have asked is

Can you explain to me about the sub-set of such people who make a big thing about tears?

EDIT: Question mark added

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#129 - 2015-07-19 18:00:48 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
but i wanna know your idea now


Sorry, not something I want to get into, I was just asking the person I replied to who I respect because it was interesting me in terms of my own assessment, I worded it in a flippant way which is wrong, I had had a little wine thats why and was being called away for RL, what I should have asked is

Can you explain to me about the sub-set of such people who make a big thing about tears.


Only if you use question marks to indicate a question.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.

Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#130 - 2015-07-19 18:01:36 UTC
Kironas Tritoris wrote:
If your a High sec Ganker you are a Looser, wanna make war in highsec go wardec someone, oh i forgot you dont have the skills for that.


Your two man corp is not even worth war deccing.
Orlacc
#131 - 2015-07-19 19:08:46 UTC
Sorry, unfamiliar with the in-game term "looser."

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Lady Areola Fappington
#132 - 2015-07-19 21:22:53 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:

Sorry, not something I want to get into, I was just asking the person I replied to who I respect because it was interesting me in terms of my own assessment, I worded it in a flippant way which is wrong, I had had a little wine thats why and was being called away for RL, what I should have asked is

Can you explain to me about the sub-set of such people who make a big thing about tears?

EDIT: Question mark added



I'm of two minds about it. On one side, it's not particularly the tears per se, the victor is just gloating. Happens in any competitive game, and it's a way to get into your opponent's mind, and rattle them a little bit for the next round. So long as you're keeping it in-game, and not ragging on the actual real person (I.E. OMG I knew women sucked at internet spaceships!) I don't see a real issue.

Second (and this will likely **** off my ganker friends), they're just being poor sports and looking for some easy comedy. I personally don't agree with doing that, but there isn't much I can say so long as the people involved are adhering to the ToS/EULA.

On the flipside of THAT coin, it takes two people to generate tears. I've been ganked. Yeah, it's frustrating. I just fire off a "GF", and, if the gank bothers me that much, log off and do something else to cool down. Nothing forces a person to generate tears

I still stand by my statement that, once you take a step outside of Eve, the "Dirty scum" players in Eve tend to be decent people. Part of playing a "bad guy" in a world like Eve is understanding the big line between Real World and Video Game. You can pretend to be a bad guy in a video game (and it's actually a popular trope) without being a "bad guy" in the real world.

Most carebears I meet don't operate at that level. For them, there is no role-playing, they just are who they are without any imagination. Hence why they think that people who DO have imagination playing bad guy roles are actually bad guys for real.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#133 - 2015-07-19 21:53:03 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:

Second (and this will likely **** off my ganker friends), they're just being poor sports and looking for some easy comedy. I personally don't agree with doing that, but there isn't much I can say so long as the people involved are adhering to the ToS/EULA.


Personally, I think sportsmanship went out the window a long time ago, what with all the threats of real life violence and vile sexual and racial insults being slung around by one side for the past decade.

Is it particularly fair to tar all the carebears with the same brush? Not really, but I got tired of giving the benefit of the doubt and having it routinely backfire. I'm all for guilt by association at this point, that's how they feel about us, might as well give it back.

So if I can have a laugh at their expense, I will. And I don't think that's unwarranted or unreasonable, either.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#134 - 2015-07-20 02:38:09 UTC  |  Edited by: McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The perceptions of the ganking community are kind of analogous to the way people look at high crime neighborhoods. Despite their reputation high crime neighborhoods are not usually littered with an endless wave of heinous criminals. People might recognize this on some level but few appreciate just how small a percentage the criminals actually make up. The reputations of people in these neighborhoods become unfairly associated with the acts of a fringe few.

Clearly, EVE is no different.

There are all our dominion

Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin

Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#135 - 2015-07-20 05:39:09 UTC
Kironas Tritoris wrote:
invalid opinion because posted with alt (or carebear with empty killboard)

Calm down miner! If they quit the game because they are bad at it doesn't that make them the losers?
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#136 - 2015-07-20 05:54:56 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Can you explain to me about the sub-set of such people who make a big thing about tears?

Look, my RL really sucks and when I come home from cleaning the toilets at the train station all I am really looking forward to is making someone cry over his exploding pixel spaceship. Bathing in the tears of carebears who lost his first ship and his expensive pod is revitalizing my crippled soul.

Was that the answer you where looking for? Do you feel better now?

Actually I just enjoy to play the evil trouble maker and it is interesting how people react because they somehow think they have to mark the hero and protect the miners. There are just a lot of interesting thing happening if you steer up some trouble. It's some really interesting game play, because it is all based on other players and they are very unpredictable to a certain degree. It's not just about killing miners, at least for me. Killing miners is just the start...
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#137 - 2015-07-20 05:57:47 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Sorry, not something I want to get into, I was just asking the person I replied to who I respect because it was interesting me in terms of my own assessment, I worded it in a flippant way which is wrong, I had had a little wine thats why and was being called away for RL, what I should have asked is

Can you explain to me about the sub-set of such people who make a big thing about tears?

EDIT: Question mark added



I'm of two minds about it. On one side, it's not particularly the tears per se, the victor is just gloating. Happens in any competitive game, and it's a way to get into your opponent's mind, and rattle them a little bit for the next round. So long as you're keeping it in-game, and not ragging on the actual real person (I.E. OMG I knew women sucked at internet spaceships!) I don't see a real issue.

Second (and this will likely **** off my ganker friends), they're just being poor sports and looking for some easy comedy. I personally don't agree with doing that, but there isn't much I can say so long as the people involved are adhering to the ToS/EULA.

On the flipside of THAT coin, it takes two people to generate tears. I've been ganked. Yeah, it's frustrating. I just fire off a "GF", and, if the gank bothers me that much, log off and do something else to cool down. Nothing forces a person to generate tears

I still stand by my statement that, once you take a step outside of Eve, the "Dirty scum" players in Eve tend to be decent people. Part of playing a "bad guy" in a world like Eve is understanding the big line between Real World and Video Game. You can pretend to be a bad guy in a video game (and it's actually a popular trope) without being a "bad guy" in the real world.

Most carebears I meet don't operate at that level. For them, there is no role-playing, they just are who they are without any imagination. Hence why they think that people who DO have imagination playing bad guy roles are actually bad guys for real.


Thank you for your insights, its much too simplistic to define this as a bad guy in game is bad in real life, I have played the bad guy in other games so understand that. There are some interesting aspects to this, but that is more of my attempts to get into the mind of an enemy so to speak. o7

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#138 - 2015-07-20 06:40:16 UTC
More people need to just play this in the background while they play eve

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#139 - 2015-07-20 07:01:52 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Can you explain to me about the sub-set of such people who make a big thing about tears?

Look, my RL really sucks and when I come home from cleaning the toilets at the train station all I am really looking forward to is making someone cry over his exploding pixel spaceship. Bathing in the tears of carebears who lost his first ship and his expensive pod is revitalizing my crippled soul.

Was that the answer you where looking for? Do you feel better now?

Actually I just enjoy to play the evil trouble maker and it is interesting how people react because they somehow think they have to mark the hero and protect the miners. There are just a lot of interesting thing happening if you steer up some trouble. It's some really interesting game play, because it is all based on other players and they are very unpredictable to a certain degree. It's not just about killing miners, at least for me. Killing miners is just the start...


Your answer is incorrect, though I do believe that you are a member of that sub-set.

By the way I do not protect miners, because they can get into a Skiff or Procurer and fit a tank, so you only cull the weak and foolish.

And my actions have a foundation in my own self-interest, does that confuse you?

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#140 - 2015-07-20 07:05:18 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Can you explain to me about the sub-set of such people who make a big thing about tears?

Look, my RL really sucks and when I come home from cleaning the toilets at the train station all I am really looking forward to is making someone cry over his exploding pixel spaceship. Bathing in the tears of carebears who lost his first ship and his expensive pod is revitalizing my crippled soul.

Was that the answer you where looking for? Do you feel better now?

Actually I just enjoy to play the evil trouble maker and it is interesting how people react because they somehow think they have to mark the hero and protect the miners. There are just a lot of interesting thing happening if you steer up some trouble. It's some really interesting game play, because it is all based on other players and they are very unpredictable to a certain degree. It's not just about killing miners, at least for me. Killing miners is just the start...


Your answer is incorrect, though I do believe that you are a member of that sub-set.

By the way I do not protect miners, because they can get into a Skiff or Procurer and fit a tank, so you only cull the weak and foolish.

And my actions have a foundation in my own self-interest, does that confuse you?

I am in no way talking about you. I never even met you ingame. It seams you don't even grasp half of the stuff we are doing.