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Truth be told I honestly don't think the warp changes go far enough. IMO fleet warp in general should simply be removed as a tactical tool. Otherwise your going to end up with exactly whats stated above. FC's will use an alt and then fleet warp to said alt.

I would even go as far as to agree with the anchor up option being removed. Let me explain further before you break out the lynch pins.


- Fleet warp

I understand "WHY" it was added back in the day as well as the role it currently fills.

It was added to allow for the delivery of multiple ships with various warp speeds to a target area at the same time. This prevented the Hodge podge landings that resulted in logi landing before battle ships etc. It also helps reduce the number of stragglers and helps herd the proverbial cats.

What needs to be addressed with these changes to not make every one hate you.

1) There needs to be a mechanism by which a fleets can decide the order they land on grid. There have been several subjection made but other options im sure are also out there.

2) There needs to be an allowance made for w space people (and general use) to group warp to Mission points / anoms / and other things that are used on a daily basis. We do not want to destroy the quality of life fleet warp offered in the non tactical sense.

3) The FC’s prober alt. While I understand a lot of FC’s will just pull out their 2nd probing character and you cant really stop them from doing it.. If they cant Fleet warp to a squad member then it becomes far less useful and still keeps the focus where they are trying to put it. FC's will still use their scouts etc to do scouting type stuff.

4) Fleet Mobility (and or ship mobility) needs reduced hard. If you’re going to reduce the ability of a fleet to traverse distances you also need to nerf the ability for fleets to stay immune to capture. There are Multiple extremely hard to catch fleet types that if left unchecked WILL dominate the meta.. ::glares at the Tengu::

A Possible solutions for these issues.

1) Special rounds? (web / scram / etc for blaster ships with substantial range for application?) Meh. It’s a possibility but I think balance would be broken.

2) Boosting Point Ranged? Long points actually being “long?” 20k is not very long any more hell that’s barley the edge of blaster range. Back in the day 20K was pretty decent. With the current “sniper ranges” and ships speeds your going to want like 40K + Hell look at how popular the pirate ships are with boosted point ranges.

3) S / M / L Webs / scrams / Points.

In theory we have a lot of different modules with various ‘sizes’ so this is not a new concept in eve. Why could space engineers not find a way to boost these e-war options to substantial ranges by simply over charging or building it bigger?

S / M / L webs – range is increased based on ship size but effectiveness is reduced based on Size to sig. Want to web that cepter in your battle ship? S webs on a big boat etc.

A alternative would be to script webs for S / M / L making sig a factor but increasing range from the current module.

S / M / L Disruptors? – I would probably leave the scrams in the realm of frigates but having a 40k or 60k disruptor as an option for your average line member would open up the field a bit. (H. Dictors are still a thing due to infinity point / bubble options and the specialized role they currently fill).

The concept behind this idea is frankly inspired by Star Wars and the capital class interdiction ships they used.

-Anchoring UP

It was mentioned earlier in this post that eve is basically naval warfare in space. After considering said point I have to agree with a few stipulations.

Naval warfare does not have 1 button to automatically keep all ships in the line in formation. Again this is another feature I think needs addressed but something needs done to assist those situations that “must have it” etc..

Orbiting a player is always useful in pvp be it for defensive or offense it has a lot of function. What became broken as the use of anchors to keep every one in a tight little group allowing for no separation etc and basically putting 1 person “driving” the every one in circles.

There is one blaring case that needs addressed. (In my humble opinion)

Interceptors “need” this function. Orbit at 500 with ludicrous speed turned on is their primary defense mechanism. Possibly make this a function of the ship a special feature for them? Not even sure if that’s possible but your going to really gimp your cepters if you remove that function.

-Eve “should” be about individual player skill and drive. Not what the FC can do with your toon when you press F1 for him. (^_^)


A few closings thoughts.

A) If on grid probing is "broken op" then simply remove the ability to initiate warp to something you probed out on the same grid. (500k was thrown around)

B) If fleet warping is the issue allowing the FC to warp to a squad member will just change "how" the Fc warps every one now that he can or cant do it any more.

C) If off grid probing is what you want. IE a scout sitting there feverishly trying to lock his probes onto moving targets then why not allow him to broadcast a "warpable" target to the fleet. Not a fleet warpable target.. but just a warpable target.. Either vie overview (the clean pretty way to do it) or vie fleet history.

D) The sniper T3's are going to be broken due to nullification and the inability to "catch them". If this is such an issue why not remove nullification form T3's and give it to shuttles. (this is a serious suggestion lulz)


Corvonax
The Nobody.

You're right, it's good that we have a really streamlined and functional bookmark system to fall back on in this instance.


OH.

WAIT.

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im sensing a disturbance in the force ! ........its as though a thousand neckbeards cried out in terror ... then were silenced !


lol ccp shoving it up our jackseyes one patch at a time

Hi CCP and fellow players - my 2c worth (cos its free)

You have 3 goals that you want to achieve - my feedback is that 2/3 are not needed and the last one I am confused about as its an about turn from the last set of changes.

Goal: Encourage individual fleet member participation

I argue you miss the point of an MMO it's for people to have fun with other people creating a bench mark where you have to be 'good' or 'participate' creates barriers to entry / limits enjoyment if people want to fly and operate F1 - let them.

FT Diomedes feed provided this response and it does speak for the bulk of eve players

“You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink. The people who simply want to join a fleet, be told where to go and what to do, are still Eve players. They still have subscriptions. They still provide content. There is ample opportunity for those people to volunteer for more active roles in fleets - in fact, every successful community encourages people to step up and be more active. Especially Imperium.

Making fleet operations take longer to get from Point A to Point B will not improve the game experience. Making each fleet member prepare more bookmarks ahead of a fight will not improve the game experience. Those things make Eve more tedious. More of a chore.

I do not want to be part of an Eve where there are 15K people online, but they are the most masochistic, bitter, and elitist pricks on the planet. I want to be part of an Eve where there are 50-100K people online, and they are fun-loving folks with whom I enjoy hanging out. Raising the barrier to fun will not accomplish this goal.

The challenges in Eve need to come primarily from the other players, secondarily from the complex and engaging environment, but NEVER from the interface and controls available to the player."


Reduce the ease of performing a bomb run without reducing their potential damage
To test this I made the suggestion that you could implement a smart bomb that only damages bombs or a defender missile that shoots down incoming bombs. Both would fit in the spare highs within most BC/BS and provide fairly effective counter measures for bombs without applying the nerf bat to bombers.
None of the feedback suggests to date suggests that fleets can’t counter bombers
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5844634#post5844634


Increase the time it takes for fleets to close ranges
This confuses me a little you just nerfed the specialized Tengus to make them scanable and now they are scanable you want to implement difficulty in getting to them?

+1000 for this. Just do that. Disable warping to a probe hit within 500km.

Ongrid Probing issue solved . Stop using sledgehammers when a scalpel is needed.

Fine with the other fleet warp nerfs... but WH space needs the ability to squad warp a sabre on top of a probe result.. It takes a hours to hunt down kills in WH space... and when we find a target (that is dscaning for ships/combats) at a probable site we wont be able to do anything anything about it... cause we wont be able to get tackle before he warps.. using a tanked scan tengu is not a solution for getting tackle in a number of C5-C6 sites.. suicide sabre is the only option.

Dont be known as the Australian who caused subs to take a nose dive please.. We were all proud of having a Australian dev.. until now.

So you agree: Nerf of mining income, you waste time to do this. More boring to mine and less rentable after change.

Do people still do that, my goodness...

The one crewmember who has the emergency broadcast button should be fired

This. +101.

Also, need to implement a way to optionally restrict broadcasting to only certain trusted person(s) or position(s), as in, say I only want two or three people doing the broadcasting to everyone. Otherwise, it's only a matter of time before public roams are flooded with troll broadcasting spais. Needs to be optional, though, like some kind of flag on the fleet manager window, "Allow anyone to broadcast," "Allow only [positions][pilots] to broadcast," something like that.

Holding additional comments for now, as I've exceeded my wall-of-text quota for the month already

Large fleet battles are dead in fozzie sov anyway brother. They odd one or 2 will still happen but its all about small fleet warfair.

No. A game should reward you for being smart of punish you for being dumb. Idiots should not be protected from their own actions.