Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Am I correct in assuming the combat BC changes are pushed back until the next release?

C'mon... this is nerfing PVE not PVP. If that is your goal, just say it please. If you really want to reduce the use in PVP, nerf sentries.

This looks like a stealth nerf to nullsec ratters to me. You are nerfing ALL drone ratters, while the effectiveness of the PVP ishtar is not changed at all.

Congratz on doing things completely wrong.

Distinct and consistent are not balancing factors. They are design goals. It might be cool, but so were AoE doomdays fired through jump portals. How did that work out? What about cruise missile bombers and nano-ravens? I hear those were pretty cool.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make about the ability for drone boats to use BS-sized drones vs everyone being able to use lower size category weapons. All ships are able to use smaller sized weapons because those weapons use less fitting resources, drone ships included. If you're a frigate and encounter them you might get a nasty surprise. But when a cruiser opens up and vaporizes a BS in 20 seconds under conditions that supposedly favor the BS while taking negligible damage itself, that's OP.

Remember when ABCs (formerly tier 3 BCs) were released for testing on Sisi? I sure do. Remember the missile Naga? I know you do. You changed it from a missile ship to a hybrid ship because having 8 over-sized missile launchers was deemed too OP! Something about 1000 dps at medium/long range with decent application on a super-mobile skirmish platform that hauled ass. Wait. Why does that sound so familiar?

Difference is that the Naga doesn't have T2 resists. Nor does it have the kind of application bonuses the Ishtar has. And you nerfed its mobility (along with the Tornado, Oracle, and Talos) after release because over-sized weapons plus mobility was deemed too OP.

So on to the actual changes. Seems to me that in exchange for losing some buffer I can either fit a nanofiber and go faster, or I can fit an OTE and apply damage better at longer range. Just what the Ishtar needs. Better damage application and more range.

Well, maybe they will actually die now. Not holding my breath.

+1 on tempest changes

+1 on DDA changes

-1 on ishtar change - NOT FAR ENOUGH

Cut ishtar more please. As it is, ishtar still projects a wall of death around it in a 70km radius. Sentries track too well, cant even approach the ishtar without being pelted by fire - I speak as an experienced orthrus pilot.

Its not even the ishtar per se, its the insane range and tracking on sentries, that ishtar just amplifies.

yeah it seems like this is more of a PVE nerf then a pvp nerf...

TECH II IS SUPPOSED TO BE SPECIALIZED! Make the ISHTAR into a specialized heavy drone ship...

I read an interesting idea...

just refocus the bonus on the ship away from sentires:

Gallente Cruiser bonuses (per skill level):
10% to medium, and heavy drone tracking speed
10% bonus to light, Medium, and Heaby drone hit points
15% bonus to Medium, and Heavy Drone damage

Heavy Assault Cruisers bonuses (per skill level):
5000m bonus to Drone operation range
30 N Thrust for drones per level

Role Bonus:
50% reduction in Microwarpdrive signature radius penalty

250 drone bay

100mb


This will turn the ishtar into a full fledged heavy ship for pve and a medium drone ship for pvp.

with 4 heavies you will get 7 drone damage thats half a drone less then now but you also get a better tracking bonus,

Also for pvp 8.75 eq mediums with that tracking bonus will be pretty awesome.

literally going to be moving at drake speeds, gj rise

Or nerfing TE because the shield blaster talos was too strong? Putting acs in worse shape since they were balanced around TE? CCP does have a history of doing this sometimes.

DDAs are lil different though.. DDAs/drones are actually fairly strong and most drone ships are strong as well. Unlike TEs which were targeted because of a few edge cases and nerfed which ruined an entire weapon system.

But then
This doesn't seem possible.

ishtar is dominate due to its sentries and range...

they pretty much left that untouched.

refocus the ishtar to a heavy drone ship... if you want to pigion hole it to armor... give it an armor repping bonus instead of drone activation range.


Gallente Cruiser bonuses (per skill level):
10% bonus to Heavy Drone max velocity
10% bonus to Light, Medium, and Heavy Drone hit points and damage

Heavy Assault Cruisers bonuses (per skill level)
7.5% to armor repair amount per level
10% bonus to heavy drone tracking per level

Role Bonus:
50% reduction in Microwarpdrive signature radius penalty

4 high
4 mid
6 low

instead of smashing the ishtar and drones in general.. why dont we buff this guy?