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[Aegis] More balance! - Ishtars, DDAs and the Tempest

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Lili Andedare
Fast Furious and Dead
#621 - 2015-07-02 11:45:18 UTC
**** this piece of ****... brainless dev... ALL ships sucks so Ishtar Op? Lets nerf all dronboats coz we are genius dev!111
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#622 - 2015-07-02 11:51:04 UTC
Lili Andedare wrote:
Lets nerf all dronboats coz they are ALL too strong. ALL OF THEM
.

You made an extensive series of typos. I have fixed this for you.

You're welcome.
gascanu
Bearing Srl.
#623 - 2015-07-02 12:42:46 UTC  |  Edited by: gascanu
afkalt wrote:
Lili Andedare wrote:
Lets nerf all dronboats coz they are ALL too strong. ALL OF THEM
.

You made an extensive series of typos. I have fixed this for you.

You're welcome.


yea, my pilgrim is op, my gheddon is op, my whatever the amarr bc name is op, my myrmidon is op, and so on...

"it's always better to keep your mouth shut and look stupid then open it an remove all doubts" or something like that Blink
Lili Andedare
Fast Furious and Dead
#624 - 2015-07-02 12:42:58 UTC
afkalt wrote:
Lili Andedare wrote:
Lets nerf all dronboats coz they are ALL too strong. ALL OF THEM
.

You made an extensive series of typos. I have fixed this for you.

You're welcome.

Orly? So if some ships sucks we should make ALL ships sucks too? SO MUCH FUN play on the useless **** ship!11
How about buff all ships instead nerf good ship? Ofc not coz its required some brain, time and money, better kill one, its take less time and can be done in BRAINOFF mode...
God bless this dev...
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#625 - 2015-07-02 13:26:07 UTC
How many times do I need to quote myself in the same frikken thread?!?!?!??!?!??!


afkalt wrote:
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Why is the DDA getting nerfed? Nerf the hulls, not the module. Other drone boats like the Dragoon just got nerfed for no reason.



THIS IS WHY
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#626 - 2015-07-02 14:01:51 UTC
Lili Andedare wrote:
afkalt wrote:
Lili Andedare wrote:
Lets nerf all dronboats coz they are ALL too strong. ALL OF THEM
.

You made an extensive series of typos. I have fixed this for you.

You're welcome.

Orly? So if some ships sucks we should make ALL ships sucks too? SO MUCH FUN play on the useless **** ship!11
How about buff all ships instead nerf good ship? Ofc not coz its required some brain, time and money, better kill one, its take less time and can be done in BRAINOFF mode...
God bless this dev...


You think powercreeping everything to the current level of drone boat is better than nerfing the drone boats?
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#627 - 2015-07-02 15:42:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitch Kaneland
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Lili Andedare wrote:
afkalt wrote:
Lili Andedare wrote:
Lets nerf all dronboats coz they are ALL too strong. ALL OF THEM
.

You made an extensive series of typos. I have fixed this for you.

You're welcome.

Orly? So if some ships sucks we should make ALL ships sucks too? SO MUCH FUN play on the useless **** ship!11
How about buff all ships instead nerf good ship? Ofc not coz its required some brain, time and money, better kill one, its take less time and can be done in BRAINOFF mode...
God bless this dev...


You think powercreeping everything to the current level of drone boat is better than nerfing the drone boats?

Well of course. Then his isk ticks wont be harmed.

Edit: I am also amused by the use "11" instead of exclamation points in his post. **** just got serious. He cranked the rage up to 11.

Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role - OP SUCCESS

Make the Muninn great again!
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#628 - 2015-07-02 15:54:49 UTC
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Lili Andedare wrote:
afkalt wrote:
Lili Andedare wrote:
Lets nerf all dronboats coz they are ALL too strong. ALL OF THEM
.

You made an extensive series of typos. I have fixed this for you.

You're welcome.

Orly? So if some ships sucks we should make ALL ships sucks too? SO MUCH FUN play on the useless **** ship!11
How about buff all ships instead nerf good ship? Ofc not coz its required some brain, time and money, better kill one, its take less time and can be done in BRAINOFF mode...
God bless this dev...


You think powercreeping everything to the current level of drone boat is better than nerfing the drone boats?

Well of course. Then his isk ticks wont be harmed.

Edit: I am also amused by the use "11" instead of exclamation points in his post. **** just got serious. He cranked the rage up to 11.


My passive Ishtar will probably have +1 DDA and -1 prop mod. I'll have to check the stacking penalty precisely but I might get better ticks...
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#629 - 2015-07-02 16:23:14 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:


My passive Ishtar will probably have +1 DDA and -1 prop mod. I'll have to check the stacking penalty precisely but I might get better ticks...


But adapting is hard. Its easier to rage on the forums than to create fits that take advantage of the changes. Stop using that logic.. succumb to the rage!11

Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role - OP SUCCESS

Make the Muninn great again!
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#630 - 2015-07-02 16:55:17 UTC
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:


My passive Ishtar will probably have +1 DDA and -1 prop mod. I'll have to check the stacking penalty precisely but I might get better ticks...


But adapting is hard. Its easier to rage on the forums than to create fits that take advantage of the changes. Stop using that logic.. succumb to the rage!11


What I really would of wanted is a drone nav for the low but vOv...
E1ev1n
Big Sister Exploration
#631 - 2015-07-02 17:13:26 UTC
While I believe I understand why you felt the need to adjust DDAs I don't at all agree with the decision as it is not an "Ishtar" module but rather a "Drone" module which I am fairly certain is clear in their descriptions. The issue I see with this is an over-reaching nerf hammer hitting every drone based dps ship not to mention the ones using a complement of drones and guns in balance. Surely there is a better way to reduce DPS (if that is in fact what you are trying to do to Ishtars) than changing DDAs as they will affect more than just Ishtars.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#632 - 2015-07-02 17:19:45 UTC
E1ev1n wrote:
While I believe I understand why you felt the need to adjust DDAs I don't at all agree with the decision as it is not an "Ishtar" module but rather a "Drone" module which I am fairly certain is clear in their descriptions. The issue I see with this is an over-reaching nerf hammer hitting every drone based dps ship not to mention the ones using a complement of drones and guns in balance. Surely there is a better way to reduce DPS (if that is in fact what you are trying to do to Ishtars) than changing DDAs as they will affect more than just Ishtars.


Did you miss that part?

CCP Rise wrote:


Next up, Drone Damage Amplifiers. While the Ishtar has really taken the spotlight as the most oppressive ship around, drone focused hulls are extremely strong across the board. From the Algos and the Tristan, to the Vexor and the Gila, to the Dominix and the Armageddon we see higher damage output and activity than the competition. For that reason we are going to lower the % damage bonus from DDA's just slightly. Numbers as follows:
Zank Lennelluc
Regiment Of Naga Association
OnlyFleets.
#633 - 2015-07-02 20:40:58 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
E1ev1n wrote:
While I believe I understand why you felt the need to adjust DDAs I don't at all agree with the decision as it is not an "Ishtar" module but rather a "Drone" module which I am fairly certain is clear in their descriptions. The issue I see with this is an over-reaching nerf hammer hitting every drone based dps ship not to mention the ones using a complement of drones and guns in balance. Surely there is a better way to reduce DPS (if that is in fact what you are trying to do to Ishtars) than changing DDAs as they will affect more than just Ishtars.


Did you miss that part?

CCP Rise wrote:


Next up, Drone Damage Amplifiers. While the Ishtar has really taken the spotlight as the most oppressive ship around, drone focused hulls are extremely strong across the board. From the Algos and the Tristan, to the Vexor and the Gila, to the Dominix and the Armageddon we see higher damage output and activity than the competition. For that reason we are going to lower the % damage bonus from DDA's just slightly. Numbers as follows:




Should have also added how oppressive the Eos, the Nestor, the Stratios all are and not forgetting how the Ishkur, Prophesy, Arbitrator etc completely outclass every other ship in their class by sheer dps. To keep the game balanced and fun the best thing to do is nerf ships, remove features and ensure simple things become more tedious.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#634 - 2015-07-02 20:54:43 UTC
Zank Lennelluc wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
E1ev1n wrote:
While I believe I understand why you felt the need to adjust DDAs I don't at all agree with the decision as it is not an "Ishtar" module but rather a "Drone" module which I am fairly certain is clear in their descriptions. The issue I see with this is an over-reaching nerf hammer hitting every drone based dps ship not to mention the ones using a complement of drones and guns in balance. Surely there is a better way to reduce DPS (if that is in fact what you are trying to do to Ishtars) than changing DDAs as they will affect more than just Ishtars.


Did you miss that part?

CCP Rise wrote:


Next up, Drone Damage Amplifiers. While the Ishtar has really taken the spotlight as the most oppressive ship around, drone focused hulls are extremely strong across the board. From the Algos and the Tristan, to the Vexor and the Gila, to the Dominix and the Armageddon we see higher damage output and activity than the competition. For that reason we are going to lower the % damage bonus from DDA's just slightly. Numbers as follows:




Should have also added how oppressive the Eos, the Nestor, the Stratios all are and not forgetting how the Ishkur, Prophesy, Arbitrator etc completely outclass every other ship in their class by sheer dps. To keep the game balanced and fun the best thing to do is nerf ships, remove features and ensure simple things become more tedious.


All the ship you listed are not pure drone boat which should give them redeeming feature in their other stats beyond their drone damage. If nerfing their drone damage kills them, then the rest of the ship was badly designed to begin with.
Scott Webb
Scott Webb Corp
#635 - 2015-07-02 21:37:16 UTC
Normalising yet again. Drones do not have impants etc etc and yet. Why don't you call yourselves Chatam House.
Kent Robin
Constructive Influence
Brothers of Tangra
#636 - 2015-07-02 23:02:30 UTC
Altrue wrote:
Meh.

I was expecting a removal of sentries bonuses from the Ishtar, just saying. You're going in the nice direction but you're just chipping away little bits here and there at the Ishtar without making substantial changes.

A slower Ishtar isn't any less broken and is less fun to fly.
And you are nerfing its damage in the process by penalizing every single drone boat. Were they really all that OP??

Lets recap the Ishtar shall we:

  • No fitting sink from guns
  • Selectable range and damage
  • Insane bonus to tracking AND optimal
  • BS sized weapon
  • Ability to detach source of damage from ship position. (!) Meaning you have to pick between going for its sentries and doing no kills, and not even damaging their DPS because they will just drop others, or going after the Ishtars and loose a lot of stuff in the process
  • Insane sentry HPs, resistance to smartbombs, bombs, and prolonged fire. Not to mention the chore of having to target every sentry
  • Increased server lag
  • Easy-as-pie 10-man instant alpha

Please, who designed this? Lol Why is this still a thing?

Remember this?


also i think should reduce the locking range of ishtar
Sumeragy
Nemesis Logistics
Goonswarm Federation
#637 - 2015-07-02 23:23:04 UTC
-1 CCP to make it short what i saw in the Years...


Drake is beeing used to much lets nerv it. Ah **** Hurricane next. A **** the Players start using now Abaddons... <---Enter next ship "ishtar" for example.

EvE is player driven where player decides what to play and how to use. So CCP is hitting it whit a nerv bad because they dont like it. How the hell is that my decission, if ccp keeps nerving the ships the player base likes. CCP you guys are just running around. After Ishtars next ship will come and after that, the next one to be nerfeded.

But only because of ishtars you are nerving the DDA too ???? i know its not much but whyyyy ?????? so every drone boats in eve gets the nerv too ?? What did my imicus do that you decided to nerv it ?



HiddenPorpoise
Jarlhettur's Drop
United Federation of Conifers
#638 - 2015-07-03 00:22:14 UTC
Why did the level of literacy drop so sharply in the past 3 pages?

The drake didn't take a <6% drop in damage.
Sumeragy
Nemesis Logistics
Goonswarm Federation
#639 - 2015-07-03 01:17:56 UTC
HiddenPorpoise wrote:
Why did the level of literacy drop so sharply in the past 3 pages?

The drake didn't take a <6% drop in damage.



I would say more, it did lost a Weapon slot and the heavy missiles where nerved now they are buffing it again (the heavy missiles). The Drake lost also a lot of Tank.
Kibitt Kallinikov
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#640 - 2015-07-03 05:31:10 UTC
Sumeragy wrote:
HiddenPorpoise wrote:
Why did the level of literacy drop so sharply in the past 3 pages?

The drake didn't take a <6% drop in damage.



I would say more, it did lost a Weapon slot and the heavy missiles where nerved now they are buffing it again (the heavy missiles). The Drake lost also a lot of Tank.


Old Drake: 7 missile launchers, 5% kinetic missile bonus = 8.75 effective launchers

New Drake: 6 missile launchers, 10% kinetic missile bonus = 9 effective launchers

I'm not sure if there was ever a point where it had 7 launchers with 10% bonus, but the new Drake definitely deals more kinetic DPS than the old one.